The "BLADE RUNNER" of this Age = "Batman v Superman" - ? ? ?
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MC1-Bjornson — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 06:08 PM)
Hello
WeirdRaptor
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Thanks for the feedback. I've heard this argument in a few circles and thought I'd pose this "hyptothesis" here. I'm with you: Ridley Scott is brilliant and is in a class of his own.
Hope more folks chime in on this. I keep hearing varied things and I welcome any and all thoughts.
Thanks Everyone!
~ MC1
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TheAstor — 9 years ago(December 13, 2016 08:18 PM)
But what you're saying is exactly what people said about Blade Runner lol. It didn't get full appreciation until many years later and after the Director's cut. That's the point of this topic.
And I'll say BvS is a much, MUCH better movie than Blade Runner. Blade Runner has no substance, it's all style.
The Thing is another movie that was panned by critics, but found cult classic status later.
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deadpixel128 — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 06:18 PM)
- Both films had lofty expectations from the studios behind them.
- Both films had enormous budgets for sets, special effects & costuming.
What does this have anything to do with anything? - Both films, upon initial release, did not receive much critical support.
Blade Runner received mixed reviews. There were plenty of bad ones, but there were also plenty of good ones. BvS's reviews are almost all bad. - Both films found "cult statuses" with specialized audiences.
BR got one over time. BvS got it right away, because there's been die-hard DC lunatics since 2008.
Also, Troll 2 has a cult fanbase. - Both films are bleak and dark in tone.
What does that have to do with anything? - Both films had unique films scores.
BR's score is memorable and beautiful. BvS's score is a mash-up of Inception and Fury Road, only not as good as either. It's not memorable, and it doesn't hold up outside the film. - Both films have "Director's Cuts".
So does Max Payne. - Both films have "ambiguous endings" that leave the audiences something to infer.
What is "ambiguous" about BvS's ending? Serious question. - Both films are argued to be more "artsy" and "philosophical" than audiences were originally expecting.
BR was poorly advertised. Similarly to Drive, it was advertised as an action film when it's a much more introspective, slow-paced film. BvS's ads don't have this problem. None of the ads are misinformative. Also, you're working on the assumption that BvS is intelligent or deep. - Both films are believed to have been underrated/underappreciated by the general public upon first release.
By who? Who on Earth is saying BvS is "underrated?" For public opinion to change about a film, time needs to pass. It hasn't even been a year. - Both films are directed by visionary directors who go for a gritty feel with their films.
The only person who thinks Zack Snyder is a visionary is Zack Snyder. There is nothing "visionary" about his films. They're very pretty, yes, but they are not innovative or unique. - Over time, "Blade Runner" became appreciated and was re-evaluated as a brilliant film. Some people argue that time will judge "Batman v Superman" as a better film than it was originally received as. Some claim the latter has begun with people re-assessing the film via "The Ultimate Edition".
It's only happening with a small handful of people who don't actually know what they're talking about. The UE does not fix most of the problems with the film. It only resolves a few plot holes. The DC of BR is an entirely different beast from the theatrical cut, and the Final Cut is an improvement on both of them.
Are these valid points?
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If you can't defend a movie without bashing another, you will be put on ignore. No exceptions.
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bozo_500 — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 04:25 AM)
Interesting. I myself also thought the same:
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Hassan_Scarborough — 9 years ago(October 06, 2016 05:06 AM)
What was "ambiguous" about the ending for BvS?
Superman dies but was already cast in the Justice League film so we know he comes back to life.
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MC1-Bjornson — 9 years ago(October 07, 2016 10:47 AM)
torymcc
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Never in my original post did I indicate if I liked either film or supported either director. These queries are posted objectively based on numerous outputs I've received from people over the last few months.
Just trying to get a gauge is all.
~ MC1
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Darwinskid — 9 years ago(October 20, 2016 04:54 PM)
Can we please stop with the Blade Runner comparisons?
- BvS had higher expectations from its studio, and was designed to help them catch up to Marvel. Blade Runner a totally new type of production to pull off at its time. There was not much to compare how it looked and felt in a motion picture then. BvS however is not a first for its kind - Superhero based films have already climbed the mountain and the big team up has already been done by Marvel with The Avengers.
- Most movies now have large budgets, huge sets, special effects, and costuming. With an example like this you might as well list "they are both movies" too.
- Yes, however Blade Runner was still considered unique and different and had more than a few things going for it, BvS' critical backlash was pretty big and it seems the most universally liked aspects of the film are Ben Affleck's Batman and Wonder Woman's cameo.
- What cult status is there for BvS? I've yet to see it anywhere.
- So?
- Yes, but Blade Runner's DC improved the existing movie so much that it created a larger following and its reputation grew stronger, BvS' DC has done no such thing or has in any way made the theatrical cut any better to watch on its own.
- So?
- BvS is not more philosophical than what it was advertised, Blade Runner was.
- BvS is not considered underrated or underappreciated, what is praised is praised what is disliked is generally disliked by a lot of people.
- True, but Scott was an still is an innovator, he and his brother Tony helped create the "flare" most modern major releases try to go for. Snyder's not innovative or particularly unique.
- I do not believe BvS will gain better appreciation unless forthcoming DC films manage to fix some of the issues people had with it that add to a narrative they can see progress or introduced in BvS.