martha line makes sense
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deadpixel128 — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:22 PM)
I'm talking sh!t about a widely-criticized scene and I'm somehow the one "living in a bubble?" Your insults don't even make sense.
And yes, you will be put on ignore. You don't have an argument. All you're saying is "People say this scene is bad, but I hate this other movie, so it's not bad." You're a complete f#cking moron. Go f#ck yourself.
If you can't defend a movie without bashing another, you will be put on ignore. No exceptions. -
kaine-qld — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:11 PM)
Xmen made noooooooooooo sense.. from the first scene to the last so nightcrawler can teleport to anywhere hes been or sees? yet cant leave the electrical cage..
Problems in other films dont excuse BvS.
But if you want to bring those films into the argument, here is the difference. BvS was bleak and boring. It offered nothing in the way of entertainment to anyone who wasnt a mindless action zombie.
Films like Xmen, Avengers, Fast and Furious, Harry Potter or Star Wars all have like able characters and scenes or moments that make the film enjoyable. BvS did not. Rest assured people will still be complaining about all of the above in some way shape or form, but in most cases the good out weighs the bad.
Now, as for the Martha moment. It makes sense. No one in the world found the scene hard to understand. But that in no way makes it clever or redeemable.
It's like a bad joke that gets explained by the teller as if the reason no one is laughing is because they didn't understand it. Its not that no one understands, its just that it isn't funny. -
OdumC — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 01:17 PM)
Best example I saw was someone spelling out a stupid joke..
Them: "Why was Six afraid of seven? because seven eight nine!"
Me ".."
Them: "Don't you get it? eight sounds like ate so six thinks seven sat down and ATE nine!!"
Me: "Oh I got it, it's just fcking stupid"
them: "But you didn't laugh, so you must not have got it."
Me: "Oh no, I really did get it, it's still just fcking stupid."
Same thing here. it was completely contrived and anyone who thinks it's "deep" and needs explaining is just admitting that they have a stunted understanding of things if they think this needs to be spelled out.
People got it just fine. it's just too fcking stupid to impress most people with an IQ over 75.Thanks to Batmeh v Supermeh Yawn of Justice, the "S" now stands for Sidekick -
ThoatWobblerMangrove — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 01:35 PM)
Why did the chicken cross the road? To get to the other side!
You see, standard joke structure requires a "set-up", that establishes the premise of our joke. In this case, a chicken crosses a road, and we are left to muse about his motivation. This is to be followed by a "punch line", which elicits laughter. The punch line is generally something surprising in respect to, or even subversive of, the set-up. Your expectations are pointing in one direction, but the actual punch line pulls you someplace else.
[andrewdiceclayvoice]"I was over there. but now I'm over here now!!!"[/andrewdiceclayvoice]
Now, here is where the chicken joke becomes brilliantly subversive. The listener is, presumably, a human being who has lived on earth for several years and has had functioning ears that entire time. As such, he/she is assumed to be very familiar with how jokes work. Ergo, they will generally be prepared for the "punch line" to deliver them to someplace other than the standard destination. This joke knows this. In fact, this joke
counts on it
. In effect, the punchline becomes a surprise because it is standard and bland, following exactly in the standard direction indicated by the set-up. It completely subverts the listener's expectation based on their understanding of jokes.
The magnitude of the underappreciated genius here is stunning.
By the way, my son absolutely loved the "789" joke a couple years ago. Now he's 8, though, and he's a huge fan of Brian Regan, thanks to the power of YouTube. -
AmbienWineDiet — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 03:33 PM)
apparently comparing one hero film to another hero films analysis and criticism is now ridiculous and stupid according to the haters here..
aka the entire foundation of film analysis that analyzes how genres use motifs, character types, tension, plot and other stuff.
damn these people are stupid. again comparing it to xmen apocalypse it off limits according to these sheep. -
kaine-qld — 9 years ago(October 05, 2016 01:51 AM)
Bitching about another film doesn't excuse the ones you like for being bad. No matter how much you want it to.
Im sorry you didnt like Xmen: Apocalypse. I didnt like it much either. I liked it more than BvS by a long shot but I dont think I will watch it again unless it is on TV and Im too hung over to get off the couch. -
Painbow — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 03:50 PM)
Well yes, technically it made sense but it was so badly done that it came across as dumb as sht and laughable.
If Superman had said "I'm a really nice guy don't kill me," that also would have technically made sense as a means of making Batman think twice about killing Superman but it also would have been dumb as sht. -
AmbienWineDiet — 9 years ago(October 04, 2016 04:14 PM)
the whole idea of the film that batman didn't think superman was a nice guy. He thought he was capable of destroying the earth and brought massive destruction to it already (were you asleep for the intro of gotham towers falling?)
remember alfrids quote about rage and good guys turning bad??? derp derp
the Martha line took him out of his rage since it paralled his own history and experience. It held him at bay long enough to realise he maybe didn't understand everything. and it was shortly clarified that Martha was taken hostage.. wouldn't of taken long for the worlds smartest detective (batman) to figure out that Luther was orchestrating this all and that maybe superman wasn't as to blame as he had first thought
AGAIN so what if he said hes a nice guy? this had no relevance to batman. Martha just happened to trigger a traumatic childhood event. was it cheesy? sure? was it perfect? no. was it on par with other coincidences in other heroes films where their cheesiness and non perfectness are overlooked? hellll yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
but was it reinforced and well established and reinforced so that when it came up it was plausible and logical?
well if you look at the film objectively then yet, the director, cheese or not, did logically show that this would of mentally screwed up batman when he said it.
again. apocalypse made no sense. from the Egyptians plan to trap apocalypse, to nightcrawlers not escaping the cage, to apocalypse accessing cerebral, to mystique and magnetos motivation, to how they killed apocalypse, to why he didn't just turn them to sand, to do you want me to go on???
I place BVS at a 3/10.. on rewatching BVS ultimate edition, the only one I consider as the real version, I place it at a 7.
is it perfect? is it great? is it even the best they could of done? hell noooooo. but compared to other superhero films that get a pass it stands up.
marvel is 10000X times better than DC at connecting stories and logic.. this doesn't mean though that massive logical holes in fox n marvel movies should get a pass while plausible DC elements should be burned at the stake