Any other space sci-fi series as good as this?
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Dejay — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 12:02 PM)
Star Trek has always been more philosophical science fiction with elements of fantasy (telepathy and neural energy etc) and romance and drama. But it's definitely Sci-Fi. What makes DS9 distinct from all the other star trek shows is that it's the only series that dealt with a real bloody war, not just occasional "oops misunderstanding, here lets be friends again".
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lysergic-acid — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 09:56 AM)
Well, a lot of ST episodes touch on Cold War themes or the results of all-out war. They're just not action-based war series.
DS9 was based largely on war (once the war kicked off), but that's not the only thing that distinguishes it from previous Trek.
Its primary strength was its long, multi-season plot arcs. Also, the Ferengis provide much more comedic relief than any other series.
What I disliked was the lack of exploration and, as cooleon mentioned, it's somewhat religious. I know it was integral to the plot arc, but the Bjorans as a species are sorta annoying and just make very little sense (a caste-based agrarian theocracy that achieved warp travel before any other race). And once Sisko got religious I found his character very hard to stomach. It's not that there can't be good religious characters in sci-fi. It's more that the spirituality is depicted/written in such a way that it's like a lot of Christian movies, where inane religiosity is presented as if blathering on and on about faith automatically makes you deep and intellectual. Luckily, Sisko's "prophet" phase doesn't last so long, but there are still a lot of facepalm-inducing conversations between Sisko and Kira. -
Dejay — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 02:15 PM)
Good points.
Curious though, I didn't have any problems with the religious aspects even though I'm an atheist. And yeah you are right the Bajorans are kind of fundamentalist. And I think the show is rather critical of these "false" dogmas, and much of the rules are just part of the organized religion and not from the prophets at all.
The religious aspects don't really feel like religion to me, more like fantasy. Or technology disguised as magic. Because the Gods are real and just wormhole aliens living out of time. You can always kill them with some techno babble.
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fjmsoftware — 9 years ago(February 04, 2017 04:34 PM)
DS9, similar to The Expanse? That doesn't even work as a joke. (And no, it's not the best Trek either. Maybe a candidate for last place among the Trek series. Star Trek is about trekking through the stars, not getting bogged down in some stupid war.)
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mobocracy — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 04:20 AM)
If they ever make a series based on Kim Stanley Robinson's Red/Green/Blue Mars books, it will rival the Expanse.
I've read all but the latest Expanse books and just finished Red Mars (and starting Green Mars), and there's a lot of interesting overlap.
Both books use corporations as kind of the ultimate bad guy, deal with complex problems which stem from Earth's overpopulation and resource problems and political conflicts between people bound to space vs. people from Earth.
In some ways, the Red Mars series could almost transition into the Expanse series as its future. The big development that Expanse has that Red Mars doesn't is the Epstein drive which allows for continuous 1-G acceleration which puts the outer planets within reach, but not other solar systems unless you build a generation ship. -
Dejay — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 07:43 PM)
Well if we are on the topic of other really good sci-fi book series, I'd suggest they make a series out of these ones:
Pandora's Star - Peter F. Hamilton - Commonwealth Saga
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_Saga
Epic sci-fi book series with one of the most evil and scary space aliens imaginable.
Revelation Space - Alistair Reynolds
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revelation_Space
Explores the idea of an interstellar society where "lighthuggers" travel for years between the stars, edging closer and closer to light speed.
Old Man's War - John Scalzi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man's_War
A great sci-fi novel with many cool ideas, aliens, space combat, romance and lots of humor. -
jonstark99 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 09:02 PM)
Would love to see them do a tv series based on the Commonwealth series by Peter Hamilton, by far my favorite of those series you have listed.
I was also very happy to hear that the Takeshi Kovacs series (Altered Carbon) will soon be coming from Netflix, that's definitely in my top 3 sci-fi literature of all time.
It would be crazy expensive if they did it justice, but I really think Neal Asher's Polity series would make for an awesome premium tv show. Actually, I suppose it the Commonwealth would also be similarly crazy expensive. -
mobocracy — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 06:24 AM)
Red Mars would make a good "based on" series but the book itself delves far too deep into the minds of its characters and the "action" is often just endless driving across the planet. The tail end of the book has a lot more "action", but IMHO that'd be something I'd criticize about the book, as the larger events seemed to compressed.
It also has kind of weird chronology, skipping a number of years ahead on a few occasions which would make for a tough film adaptation.
But if you had the right writer involved, I think you could streamline Red Mars and make a decent series out of it. -
mobocracy — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 08:20 AM)
I thought I read it had been aborted before they started.
I also think the source material is complex enough that it would take a big budget to do it justice. No low budget cable network production would be able to pull it off. -
Frqtflyr — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 12:09 AM)
Agreed. I also second Westworld and Babylon 9 (which makes a fascinating comparison to DS9 there was even a plagiarism lawsuit).
And for far-out, witty, marvelously imaginative Sci-Fi, Farscape. Admittedly different in tone, but an incredible series nonetheless.
I also confess to liking the reboot of Doctor Who and the Torchwood spinoff.
Finally, while they're not space operas, Fringe, Dollhouse and Orphan Black share the same slightly noirish ambiance. -
Pumba74 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 04:08 AM)
Deep Space 9 is a great show. Not as 'gritty' as this and more optimistic being Star Trek but it does have its darker moments and just a great war arc.
Hopefully the new Star Trek show will be good too. But Expanse surprised me. I never even knew what it was until a month ago and was really really good. Not for everyone but very impactful. -
mgl-92037 — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 09:30 AM)
I can't explain my taste, but Voyager is the later Trek series for which I have the most affection. Yes, there were a lot of corny episodes, but there were more episodes based on moral dilemmas, as in the original. Janeway had charisma, too.
TNG is fine, but just too dated for me now. Enterprise was just awful.
DS9 had its moments, but I didn't appreciate the respect paid to magic and religion. That was really against the spirit of the original.