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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(November 07, 2015 02:48 AM)
Ive proven my point on 8 seperate occasions, please scroll back through the threads. Just posting this again for newcomers.
Acts chapter 2 according to Peter:
Jesus was a man
God favored him and gave him power AFTER his baptism
Jesus was from the sperm of david aka joseph
The jews and romans crucified him
GOD raised him from the dead (God did not raise himself from the dead, God raised Jesus)
Afterward God made jesus a Lord aka Master and Messiah
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David12222 — 10 years ago(January 23, 2016 04:22 PM)
AngryNegroMan, if you hadn't noticed, Jesus was often referred in reference to the different roles He took. In ACTS chapter 2, peter is referring to Jesus in the persona of the Son of Man, which Jesus Himself used countlessly throughout the gospels.
However, there are times that Jesus has referred to Himself as the Son of God in the gospels as well. Daniel also referred to Christ in this form
"And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace". He also did it in John 5. In John five, Jesus spoke to the Pharisees as the Son of God. In that chapter He gave reference to His persona as "the Son of Man" also. In John eight, Jesus directly revealed to the Jews "Verily I say unto you, before Abraham was,
I AM
." Again, Jesus reveals Himself in His persona as the Son of God, the One who appeared to Moses in the burning bush and told him tell the Isrealites that
I AM
had sent Moses to them.
In Acts 2, Peter is proclaiming Christ as the "Son of Man", or Emmanuel,
God with Us
. For in coming to earth, Jesus took on Himself the nature and form of fallen man, and in this way, became all man. Therefore, like man, He was tempted in All points like us. But at the same time, He retain His divinity as the Son of God. He came with a mind wholly consecrated to God, and said No to every sin Satan tempted Him with.
This is the mind He gives to each of us on conversion. When we are converted, Christ gives us this mindset so that if we, like He when He was on earth, only keep our eyes on Him, we will never fall to sin. While He was on earth, He relied on the Heavenly Father for everything. Protection, daily needs, protection from Satan's snares. He submitted His heart and mind totally to the Heavenly Father's leading and trusted Him implicitly. If we are to save at last, it will be submitting ourselves fully to the care and keeping of Christ. Therefore, Jesus was All God but All man as well.
In John chapter 1, John is addressing Jesus as the Son of God, the Almighty Creator. These bible texts, John 1 and Acts 2 are in perfect harmony, uniting the two sides of our Lord while He was on earth. -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 01:31 AM)
"And His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace".
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
In John eight, Jesus directly revealed to the Jews "Verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM." Again, Jesus reveals Himself in His persona as the Son of God, the One who appeared to Moses in the burning bush and told him tell the Isrealites that I AM had sent Moses to them.
The Gospel of John, the elephant in the room among the 4 Gospels because it presents a VERY DIFFERENT "Jesus" who is nothing like the "Jesus" of the first three gospels strike 1. Strike 2 is that the "I AM" of Moses story was AN ANGEL sent by God, it NEVER mentions a "Son of God nmed "Jesus" representing God talking to Moses". You christians are embarassing, forcing "Jesus" WHERE HE NEVER BELONGED. Strike 3, God had TWO types of LITERAL SONS. Adam, and Angels. Everyone else is ADOPTED.
In Acts 2, Peter is proclaiming Christ as the "Son of Man", or Emmanuel, God with Us
Again you LIE. Strike 1 Peter NEVER called him Emmanuel. Strike 2 And WHY do you Christians act like name meanings represent the person!? My sister's name means "She is faithful" yet SHES AN ATHEIST (I am not an atheist btw). Strike 3 he was NEVER called Emmanuel by anyone. No one ever ran up and said "Emmanuel help me". In Hebrew he was named "Yahusha" . Strike 4 Acts chapter 2 Peter was SPEAKING THE TRUTH. Jesus is not God, he had a God, worshipped a God, prayed to a God, was given power by a God, was raised from the dead by a God, HE WAS NOT HIS OWN GOD.
For in coming to earth, Jesus took on Himself the nature and form of fallen man, and in this way, became all man. Therefore, like man, He was tempted in All points like us. But at the same time, He retain His divinity as the Son of God. He came with a mind wholly consecrated to God, and said No to every sin Satan tempted Him with.
Strike 1 The Creator DOES NOT EVER BECOME THE CREATED. Strike 2 if he became FALLEN MAN that would mean he had sin. Strike 3 The Bible says GOD CAN NOT BE TEMPTED, yet you say "Jesus" was tempted = He cant be God.
This is the mind He gives to each of us on conversion. When we are converted, Christ gives us this mindset so that if we, like He when He was on earth, only keep our eyes on Him, we will never fall to sin. While He was on earth, He relied on the Heavenly Father for everything. Protection, daily needs, protection from Satan's snares. He submitted His heart and mind totally to the Heavenly Father's leading and trusted Him implicitly. If we are to save at last, it will be submitting ourselves fully to the care and keeping of Christ. Therefore, Jesus was All God but All man as well.
Strike 1 "Jesus" kept his eyes on himself while on earth? Wrong, he kept his eyes on GOD. Strike 2 You cant even be like him, MOST CHRISTIANS are NOTHING like the man they claim to follow! They teach AGAINST HIM. HE TAUGHT THE LAW OF MOSES, and DID NOT EAT PORK OR SEAFOOD AS WAS TOLD IN THE LAW. They celebrate PAGAN holidays aka Christmas, new years, easter, etc I wont continue. Strike 3 AGAIN the creator DOES NOT become the created.
In John chapter 1, John is addressing Jesus as the Son of God, the Almighty Creator. These bible texts, John 1 and Acts 2 are in perfect harmony, uniting the two sides of our Lord while He was on earth.
No youre wrong, theyre not complementary, thats just you cherry picking to make it seem so to excuse your false beliefs
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David12222 — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 11:44 PM)
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
Show me one place, in Scripture, that says this text isn't talking about Jesus. To say this text is talking about
ANyone
other than deity is pure blasphemy.
The Gospel of John, the elephant in the room among the 4 Gospels because it presents a VERY DIFFERENT "Jesus" who is nothing like the "Jesus" of the first three gospels strike 1. Strike 2 is that the "I AM" of Moses story was AN ANGEL sent by God, it NEVER mentions a "Son of God nmed "Jesus" representing God talking to Moses". You christians are embarassing, forcing "Jesus" WHERE HE NEVER BELONGED. Strike 3, God had TWO types of LITERAL SONS. Adam, and Angels. Everyone else is ADOPTED.
Please show me the very different Jesus. Because the gospels writers each wrote about the different characteristics of Jesus as well, from 4 different stand points. All these characteristics can be seen in Jesus's life on earth:- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
2.Mark writes of Him as(over all)a servant because Mark mainly emphasize Jesus's role as a servant(one who ministered to man). - Luke or focuses on Christ's role as the Son of Man(which I already explained before.
- John speaks more of Christ in the sense of His divinity, as the Son of God.
As such, all these gospels unite to produce one perfect picture of Christ.
Christ is actually called an Angel in the scripture.
Malachi 3:1 says "the Lord whom you seek, Shall come speedily to
His
temple, even the
messenger of the covenant
(Highlight this phrase), whom you desire, behold,
He
shall come"
messenger of the covenant
, in ancient Hebrew reads "
Angel
of the covenant", as in Hebrew, the word for Angel was actually
messenger
. You see, the inspired men of the bible saw angels as the angelic messengers for the Lord.
And in many cases of the old testament, that phrase "The Angel of the Lord" was actually Christ, the Son of God, who appeared to the prophets in the form of an angel.
Exodus 3:1-4 tells us an
Angel
called Moses from the bush. Steven says the same in Acts 7:30. Yet, Exodus 3:4 says it was God who appeared and spoke to Him. Steven again explains in the following verse it is actually the Lord speaking The
I Am.
Again, Jesus confirms who is in the bush talking to Moses in John 8.
Daniel 10:13 tells of how an angel explains to Daniel that the prince of the kingdom of Persia resisted him for 120 days. Now we know this was no physical battle as the king of Persia was just a man. Thus, this battle the angel speaks of is carried out in the heart of the king. For 120 days the king has resisted the angel's attempts to soften his heart to listen to God's spirit. However, Satan has been called the "Prince of this world" throughout the bible(for example, Job 1:7 and John 14:30), after he caused Adam(the rightful ruler to fall)and all mankind to become sinful.
So here, the angel is really telling Daniel, "I would have come sooner, in answer to your prayer, but Satan,prince of the kingdom of Persia, by working on the king's heart, caused the king to resist my efforts to sway him(the king).
However, as the angel goes on to say, Michael, prince of the first rank(Hebrew interpretation), came to help him, and he succeeded.
Jude 1:9 tells us Michael is the Arch-(head)angel. And Paul tells us in Thessalonians 4:13 that the Lord will descend with a shout and the voice of the Arch angel(Michael) and will raise the dead. John 5:25, Jesus says that "all in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God."
Michael, the Arch angel, is just one of the many names used for Christ.
What these texts are obviously saying is that it was Jesus who stood in the burning bush and talked to Moses, and who came to help the angel break the hold of Satan over the heart of the Persian King. In the scriptures, Jesus, as the Son of God, is the only one who can rebuke Satan.
Jude says Satan tried to keep Jesus(Michael) from resurrecting Moses. But Jude goes on to say He rebukes Satan.
In Zechariah 3:1-7, we have here another clear case in which the Lord, the Son of God, appears as an angel. Zechariah is shown the vision of the then high priest Joshua standing before the
Angel
of the Lord in filthy rags. Satan is also shown to be standing at his side,accusing Joshua to the Angel(Christ)of being unworthy.
Christ reproves Satan and calls Joshua "a brand plucked from the fire"(or a person just
rescued
from the power of sin). In these verses the
Angel
and the word
Lord
are used together repeatedly, revealing exactly who this
Angel
is.
Am I saying in every case throughout the old testament an angel is the same as Christ? No. But in specific instances, and most importantly, when an article is used to define angel(example: The Angel of the Lord)the text is usually telling us that this is no ordinary being or angel speaking.
Men has never spoken with God(the Father)at any time(the o
- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 01, 2016 02:25 PM)
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
Show me one place, in Scripture, that says this text isn't talking about Jesus. To say this text is talking about ANyone other than deity is pure blasphemy.
Duuuuh READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTERS 1-11 of ISAIAH you dumb beep That will tell you PLAINLY that it is ABOUT A CHILD BORN IN ISAIAH'S TIME! There was a war in the Holy land happening at the time, the King was praying that God would send another King to stop the evil ones. One is about Hezekiah.
NOT about Jesus. READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER rather than cherry picking one god damn verse stupid @$$
As for the rest of these, Im not even going to bother, I already answered them in a different post. good bye
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 01, 2016 09:26 PM)
Duuuuh READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTERS 1-11 of ISAIAH you dumb beep That will tell you PLAINLY that it is ABOUT A CHILD BORN IN ISAIAH'S TIME! There was a war in the Holy land happening at the time, the King was praying that God would send another King to stop the evil ones. One is about Hezekiah.
NOT about Jesus. READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER rather than cherry picking one god damn verse stupid @$$
As for the rest of these, Im not even going to bother, I already answered them in a different post. good bye
Actually I don't really care to read your other post because you probably miscontrued them horribly as well.
Again, one reply. The Jew's did not take to Blaspheming. The name of God was so sacred to the prophets(like Isaiah)and to the Jewish writers that when they wrote the name of God(Yahweh), they never used that particular ink quil anymore.
Those attributes of God were not given to a child born in Isaiah's time. The child was a prophecy that God showed Isaiah would be fulfilled with the birth of
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 04, 2016 10:08 PM)
beep "UNTO US" or "TO US" = Those who were alive in ISAIAH'S TIME "A child IS GIVEN" not will be given. Learn how to read it! And YAHWEH is not His name! Say Yahweh to a HEBREW SPEAKING JEW they wont know who youre talking about
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 11:17 AM)
beep* "UNTO US" or "TO US" = Those who were alive in ISAIAH'S TIME "A child IS GIVEN" not will be given.
DO you know what Revelations 13:8 mean by "whose names are not written in the book of life of that lamb, which was slain from the beginning of the world"?
Its speaking of Jesus, in His persona as the Lamb of God. In the this text, it draws a correlation to Genesis 3:15, where God tells Adam and Eve of Christ's coming and how He will bruise the serpent(Satan's)head but that Satan will bruise Christ's heel(which happened when Satan stirred up the Jews and Romans to beat and kill Him).
What God was basically telling Adam and Eve that from the moment of their sin, Christ had stepped in as surety for them. Meaning, that Christ had pledged that He would save them from ruin that Satan had brought them into.
Paul explains in Ephesians 1:4, "He has chosen us in him(Christ)before the foundation of the world". Paul means that God Had Good will and nothing but good intentions toward us before the World was even created.
Therefore, Isaiah said, "unto Us a child is born." The US here that Isaiah mention is the human race as a whole. "For unto US(the human race from all ages past)a child is born. Unto Us(the Human race)a Son is given". Catch the word Son. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His Only Begotten Son."
Isaiah and many of the prophets all speak all the time of the first coming of Christ.
In conclusion. Those who died in the old testament era, Isaiah, Jeremiah,and all the prophets, the good kings, and everyone who died looking toward Christ's first coming(because all these people died in the hope that the promised Redeemer would come), were not forgotten by Christ. Paul says in 1 Thes. 4:16, that Christ when Christ come again, He will call those who asleep in the graves. You, see, to God, when you die, you're asleep. This is found in Matthew 9:24 and John 11:11-14.
Why? Because in death, just like a long, deep sleep, you're not conscious of how many centuries are going by, or whether thousands of years have passed. You know nothing. And men will and can forget your grave during the ages. But the Everlasting Father(Christ)hasn't forgotten you. You can be dead(asleep)for thousands of years(like the holy men of the bible), yet God hasn't forgotten you. John 5:25, 28,29, says that "All who are in the grave shall hear the voice of the Son of God, they which hear, shall live."
So I believe, based on the all biblical scriptures that all of the books of the bible come together like one beautiful puzzle. That Christ stood as a surety for those men in the old testament. Like when Abel offered the lamb sacrifice, he did it in recognition that Christ would be the lamb of the world. And as long as the men of the old testament looked to Christ as their soon coming Redeemer, then Christ was able to lead them in the direction of His choosing.
Same with us today, if we but keep our eyes on Christ, we will never sin. How you might ask? The same as Christ did when He was on earth Hebrews 4 tells us that Christ as our high, priest, was tempted in all points like we are. Christ Overcame every sin and temptation by praying to God to save Him from every temptation to sin. And that's how Christ lived a perfect life, free of sin. That's all He requires of us. If we pray to God to deliver us each and every time Satan tempts us, He will.
The men of the old testament, who died in the hope of seeing Christ appear, when Christ comes in the clouds, He will not only call those of us who are asleep in our graves, He will call the men of who died believing in Him. And they will live forever as well. God will give each person an immortal body upon their resurrection from death, a body that cannot die. -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 06:33 PM)
Remember when I said you Christians FORCE HIM WHERE HE DOES NOT BELONG? There you go doing it AGAIN you idiot! Genesis 3:15 WAS NEVER about a Messiah!. A scholar whose last name escapes me but his first name is Claude says the Hebrew word for seed, zera, is a collective noun with a plural meaning. At work here is the word seed is (1) the descendants of the woman and (2) the descendants of the serpent. So the Common English Bible and the Jewish TNK. Thus, they will strike at your head and you shall strike at their head. Gerhard von Rad said there was no messianic prophecy in the original context. Gordon Wenham says much the same though in light of subsequent revelation leads some to messianic. Instead, the original author of Genesis did not see it that way.
It is even clear from context it was not a prophesy. If something was a prophecy it WOULD OUTRIGHT SAY IT WAS ONE!
WRONG I ALREADY EXPLAINED ISAIAH! The US refers to the HOLY PEOPLE AKA JEWS that were being attacked at that time! Isaiah asked the king to PRAY TO GOD FOR A SIGN OF WHEN THE WAR WOULD END! Stop effing forcing Jesus where HE NEVER BELONGED! I HATE YOU and christians like you who twist the bibes to say what you want it to! If you were here Id choke you out of rage because you are a liar!
"For God so Loved the world" Who was THE WORLD? Was it America? Mexico? Canada? NO! Back in those days people thought the earth was FLAT and consisted of the Middle east! So THE WORLD refers to one of two things; The Middle east as a whole, or Jerusalem alone. Yes, somewhere in Jeremiah he called Jerusalem "The world".
Funny you say that he is a lamb. THINK ABOUT IT. HE ATE THE PASSOVER LAMB EVERY YEAR, was he eating himself? Youre nothing but a laughing stock!
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 07, 2016 05:27 PM)
WRONG I ALREADY EXPLAINED ISAIAH! The US refers to the HOLY PEOPLE AKA JEWS that were being attacked at that time! Isaiah asked the king to PRAY TO GOD FOR A SIGN OF WHEN THE WAR WOULD END! Stop effing forcing Jesus where HE NEVER BELONGED! I HATE YOU and christians like you who twist the bibes to say what you want it to! If you were here Id choke you out of rage because you are a liar!
Isaiah is Not talking to the King in Isaiah 9:6. In Isaiah 9:6 he is speaking in prophecy.
In verse 1 and 2 of the same chapter, Isaiah plainly says, speaking in prophecy, the people in the land of Napthali and Zebulumn have seen a great light.
In the time when Isaiah was speaking, the Northern ten tribes of the kingdom of Isreal, which included the land of Naphtali and Zebulun, were drawing to the end of their course. Not so long after, the the king of Assyria came and scattered them among the nations.
This prophecy in verse 1 and 2 is referring to the first coming of Jesus. Jesus was that
"Great Light"
which shone in the lands of Napthali and Zebulun. This prophecy was directly fulfilled in Jesus ministry because Jesus walked all over the lands of Naphtali and Zebulun, preaching the beautiful words of God and healing the sick. See, Galiee in the new testament,the place where Jesus spent so much of His time, included the land of Naphtali and Zebulun John chapter 1:9 tells us Jesus was the Light which shown in the darkness.
Isaiah is speaking in prophecy all the way in Isaiah 9:6. What I would prefer is that you stop trying to
take
Jesus
away
from the very scriptures which speak of Him. In John 5 Jesus told the unbelieving Pharisees, "you search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life, and they are they which testify of Me."
So please stop trying to
invent
a reason to disbelieve the scriptures. Like I said, God will not force your will but if you continue to search the word in order to deliberately discredit His Son, God won't protect you either from falling under the control of another power who will love to take you for a joy ride.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:10 PM)
ISAIAH 9:6 IS ABOUT HEZEKIAH NOT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISAIAH WROTE ABOUT PROPHECIES DURING HIS LIFETIME NOT THE FUTURE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR EFFING HEAD YOU BRAINWASHED FOOL!
There is only ONE GOD, and He IS NOT A TRINITY!!!!!!
The Jews are right
Christians are wrong
Jesus, the prophet, the Messiah, raised from the dead, but is not God
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:29 PM)
ISAIAH 9:6 IS ABOUT HEZEKIAH NOT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISAIAH WROTE ABOUT PROPHECIES DURING HIS LIFETIME NOT THE FUTURE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR EFFING HEAD YOU BRAINWASHED FOOL!
There is only ONE GOD, and He IS NOT A TRINITY!!!!!!
The Jews are right
Christians are wrong
Jesus, the prophet, the Messiah, raised from the dead, but is not God
The Jews are right. I agree. There is one God. But when God refers to Himself as One Lord, He is talking in the sense of the marriage vows. "For this reason shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his life and they two shall become
One
flesh. Here God is extending a beautiful view of what He meant when He said, "Here O Israel. The Lord your God(God is used in the plural sense) is One Lord." And Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let
Us
make man in
Our
image, after
Our
likeness." And verse 27 says "So God created man in
His
image; In the image of
God
created He him".
If you want to tear down the who bible in order to disprove the existence of Jesus, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace as the Son of God, then you're barking up the wrong tree.
I issue you this challenge. You'll have rip up the who bible in order to disprove Jesus is Not God. He is and He is still looking out for you, even when you're in denial of Him because He loves you that much -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 02:04 AM)
The Jews are right. I agree. There is one God. But when God refers to Himself as One Lord, He is talking in the sense of the marriage vows. "For this reason shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his life and they two shall become One flesh. Here God is extending a beautiful view of what He meant when He said, "Here O Israel. The Lord your God(God is used in the plural sense) is One Lord." And Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness." And verse 27 says "So God created man in His image; In the image of God created He him".
WRONG IT IS NEVER PLURAL WHEN REFERRING TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL! Elohim is plural ONLY when referring to PAGAN GODS!
WRONG The "Us" and "Our image" in Genesis refers to, as the jews have ALWAYS SAID, THE ANGELS AND HEAVENLY BODIES! NOT JESUS YOU PRICK! If the text meant Jesus then why have the jews NEVER TAUGHT IT!!!! Because it ISNT ABOUT HIM!!
AGAIN YOURE BEING A DUMB ASS!! YOU HAVENT READ A WORD I SAID! I SAID JESUS EXISTED STUPID beep I AM SAYING HE IS NOT GOD! NO NO NOOO!!! YOU beep RETARD! HE IS NOT THE HEAVENLY FAATHER NOR THE COUNSELLOR NOR THE MIGHTY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! ISAIH 9:6 IS NOT ABOUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!! beep RETARD! YOULL PAY FOR YOUR LIES!
HERE IS THE HEBREW TRANSLATION OF ISAIAH 9:5 (9:6 in ENgluish)
ASET
Isaiah 9:5 For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and the dominion will rest on his shoulder; the Wondrous Adviser, Mighty God, Eternal Father, called his name Sar-shalom [Prince of Peace];
Not calling the child ANY of those except Prince. And AGAIN IT WAS ABOUT HEZEKIAH!!!
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 05:56 AM)
WRONG The "Us" and "Our image" in Genesis refers to, as the jews have ALWAYS SAID, THE ANGELS AND HEAVENLY BODIES! NOT JESUS YOU PRICK! If the text meant Jesus then why have the jews NEVER TAUGHT IT!!!! Because it ISNT ABOUT HIM!!
Why haven't the Jews taught it? Some of the jews have understood it to mean the Trinity. Isaiah, David in many of the psalms, Job, and others.
Now, why haven't the Jews taught it? Hmm. I believe this goes back to what they when they took responsibility of crucifying Jesus when they said, "His blood be on us and on our children". Now lets see what that meant? In the bible, the Jew's often used blood to symbolize life. Blood also was used to symbolize guilt. This is proven when the man came to David, bragging about killing Saul. David told the man "Your blood be on your own head", before killing him. which symbolized,
you alone will bear the guilt for this deed!" David confirmed this again in 2 Samuel 4:11 and 2 Samuel 3:29.
This principle also is applied when God told Cain, "your brother's blood crieth out to me from the ground."
So what the Jews did, in making the statement that "His blood be on us and on our children", was to say that we're going to knowingly take the take the guilt of this man(Christ)death on us and that, as a nation, we will continue to teach our children and our children's children that Jesus was Never our messiah!
Which the nation of Israel is doing today. The nation of Isreal will forever bear the guilt of killing Jesus. And many Jewish scholars will lie and distort the understanding of their own texts to prove that Jesus was not the Messiah or God. And now you ask how come the Jews never taught that
Us
in Genesis 1 is talking about the trinity? Some of the faithful Jewish writers of old and even some today, do understand this concept, which is why you will find it scattered throughout the scriptures by many of the prophets, some of which I mentioned before.
WRONG IT IS NEVER PLURAL WHEN REFERRING TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL! Elohim is plural ONLY when referring to PAGAN GODS!
WRONG The "Us" and "Our image" in Genesis refers to, as the jews have ALWAYS SAID, THE ANGELS AND HEAVENLY BODIES! NOT JESUS YOU PRICK! If the text meant Jesus then why have the jews NEVER TAUGHT IT!!!! Because it ISNT ABOUT HIM!!
I'll tell you what. You look at the word God in that verse in a strong concordance/greek and Hebrew. You can argue with the the concordance but it says explicitly that the word for God Elohiem, is used in the Plural sense. If can't understand that then that's your problem. Argue with the concordance.
Isaiah 9:5 For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and the dominion will rest on his shoulder; the Wondrous Adviser, Mighty God, Eternal Father, called his name Sar-shalom [Prince of Peace];
Then you can rest in your blasphemy. Because Hezekiah was never called the prince of Peace. He was a king who made wars. And don't lie on the Hebrew. I'm using a Hebrew bible and it says "A son has been given to usthe Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler". Now considering the fact that sometimes the
modern
translations of Hebrew have deliberately doctored the understanding of how the ancient Hebrew texts should be read in order to deny that all these texts point to Jesus, I'm still surprise that the the modern hebrew translation remained honest in this verse.
So even amid a doubtful translation of this verse, the truth still emerged and Jesus is still referred to as the Eternal Father and a ruler of peace.
Thank you
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 14, 2016 12:39 AM)
Why haven't the Jews taught it? Some of the jews have understood it to mean the Trinity. Isaiah, David in many of the psalms, Job, and others.
HAH! You make me laugh by your stupidity! Isaiah, David, Job believing in a TRINITY!? STOP LYING! They were MONOTEHISTIC! Meaning ONE GOD MADE OF ONE BEING NOT THREE!
Isaiah SPECIFICALLY quotes GOD as saying "I ALONE made the Heavens and earth, WHO ELSE WAS WITH ME?" Some jews in those times were saying God had help at creation because the jews were living among gentiles during the wars and picking up gentile beliefs of multiple gods working together to make the universe. God however says, "I ALONE MADE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, who was with me?" The answer is NO ONE ELSE.
TRINITY - A word NOT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE.
MONOTHEISM - Belief in ONE GOD made of ONE BEING.
Trinity = 3 = Plural = POLYTHEISTIC. 1+1+1 = 3. Now christinas in the last ten years have come up with a stupid @$$ excuse saying 1x1x1 = 1 BUT WAIT. If theyre SEPERATE and not the same but make up the same deity then MULTIPLYING DOESNT WORK. Adding works because youre taking SEPERATE ONES not the same being spread in three.
Now, why haven't the Jews taught it? Hmm. I believe this goes back to what they when they took responsibility of crucifying Jesus when they said, "His blood be on us and on our children".
Now this one is lesser known to the public so Ill go easy on you this time. The passage you quoted is a forgery made by a scribe to pin the blame of Yahusha Jesus death on the jews. Look it up, its not in the earliest manuscripts of Matthew nor is it in the other gospels. I believe if memory serves right, that the NET has a footnote on it
The prophets never taught a trinity. I already explained those stupid corrupted passages to you. Im not calling the Holy verses stupid or corrupt, Im calling your understanding of them that because Youve been brainwashed into corrupting them from what they originally meant.
I'll tell you what. You look at the word God in that verse in a strong concordance/greek and Hebrew. You can argue with the the concordance but it says explicitly that the word for God Elohiem, is used in the Plural sense. If can't understand that then that's your problem. Argue with the concordance
Ill argue with him until I am no more. His dumb @$$ was probably a Christian trinitarian which = bias.
The angels were considered lesser gods, hence why they are also known as, GASP, SONS OF GOD and are even called that in Genesis and JOB! Their whole power comes not from themselves but from God, much like "Jesus" power was never his own power but God's power. Now if God didnt want him to have power he could instantly take it away making Jesus a mere man again. Shows you how much power Jesus didnt have since he relied on God to give him power to heal, etc.
But if God is almighty and relies on no one, and Jesus didnt have his own power = HE CANT BE GOD.
Then you can rest in your blasphemy. Because Hezekiah was never called the prince of Peace. He was a king who made wars. And don't lie on the Hebrew. I'm using a Hebrew bible and it says "A son has been given to usthe Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler". Now considering the fact that sometimes the modern translations of Hebrew have deliberately doctored the understanding of how the ancient Hebrew texts should be read in order to deny that all these texts point to Jesus, I'm still surprise that the the modern hebrew translation remained honest in this verse.
So even amid a doubtful translation of this verse, the truth still emerged and Jesus is still referred to as the Eternal Father and a ruler of peace.
"A son HAS BEEN GIVEN" = Already happened at the time it was written. Therefore = Not jesus. And Isaiah wrote about things THAT WERE GOING TO HAPPEN IN HIS LIFE TIME! Get that through your head you pagan.
Jesus was NEVER called "Father" nor "Mighty God" nor "Wonderful Counsellor". NO ONE ever said to Jesus "My God help me!"
And also think of this; if he is A SON HOW CAN HE THEN BE CALLED FATHER! A son is NOT his father and his son! If you are a Father you have a son, if you are your son and your own father you are a contradiction!
Isaiah 9:7 also indicates that the subject of the passage would bring peace forever. Did jesus come to bring peace? Hell no! Luke 12:51 Not peace BUT DIVISION/A SWORD
T5i -
David12222 — 10 years ago(February 14, 2016 09:41 AM)
Isaiah SPECIFICALLY quotes GOD as saying "I ALONE made the Heavens and earth, WHO ELSE WAS WITH ME?" Some jews in those times were saying God had help at creation because the jews were living among gentiles during the wars and picking up gentile beliefs of multiple gods working together to make the universe. God however says, "I ALONE MADE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, who was with me?" The answer is NO ONE ELSE.
Just note. Who do you think was talking in that verse? The Son of God. All Three members of Deity were present in the creation of the earth. And in the bible, They are referred to as
One Lord
because they're one in purpose and mind.
God is in three Persons. The Father, The Son, And the Holy Spirit. But God is also called
One God
so that verse you quoted makes
Perfect
sense.
Elohiem. "Here O Isreal, the Lord Our God is One Lord!"
I already explained this verse was talking about the trinity. So don't assume J
NO ONE ever said to Jesus "My God help me!"
John 20:28. Read it. And next time, don't lie on the bible as you're proving yourself to be a liar.
Did jesus come to bring peace? Hell no! Luke 12:51 Not peace BUT DIVISION/A SWORD
Sorry but I have to answer this!
Isaiah 45:7 says "I create good and I create Evil; I the Lord do all these things!" Is Isaiah saying here God
creates
evil? No! What God is saying here is that because He(God), didn't
prevent
evil from arising, He takes the blame for every evil and calamity in the world, when in actuality, it is Satan and evil men who bring evil. But since He(God), doesn't always stop these things from happening, it is written as if He did it.
Remember, many things throughout the old and new testament is built on this one principle; What God permits(didn't prevent)from occurring, is written as if He Actually did it.
One powerful example is when David decide to number Isreal. 1 Samuel 24 says God moved David to number Isreal. 1 Chronicles 21 turns around and says the opposite: that Satan stirred David up to number Isreal. And this principle is found in many of the scripture texts of the old and new testament!
In summary, the inspired men who wrote the bible looked upon God as the Sovereign Ruler. Without His consent, nothing bad can happen as He is all power and in control of everything! So when God does not
prevent
Satan or men from doing something, the bible authors often wrote that God did it, since He is Sovereign and didn't stop what was happening.
Jesus said He came to bring a sword/division. Jesus
did
come to bring division. He was saying that His words and teaching would bring divisons between the son, father, mother, and daughter. Between friends and neighbors. How? Because the son or father, or friend who accepts Jesus's teaching as the standard for his life will become at odds with family members and friends who are unbelievers.
My mom was born a baptist in the baptist church but when she left the baptist organization and joined another church which followed more clearly the teachings of Christ and the bible than her family church, that created tensions between her and her family because she started teaching new truths from the bible that her family disbelieved.
This is the sword/division Jesus is speaking of that He came to bring. A modern way of saying it would be Jesus was saying that the acceptance of Him and His teachings would create division between those who believe in Him and those who follow after the world.
The angels were considered lesser gods, hence why they are also known as, GASP, SONS OF GOD and are even called that in Genesis and JOB! Their whole power comes not from themselves but from God, much like "Jesus" power was never his own power but God's power. Now if God didnt want him to have power he could instantly take it away making Jesus a mere man again. Shows you how much power Jesus didnt have since he relied on God to give him power to heal, etc.
1 John 3:2 says all those who come to God/Christ, are sons of God. This is not just limited to Angels. Luke 3:38 says Adam was called a son of God. Therefore, all those who were created by God and who follow Him are called sons of God.
But there is only
One
Son of God. Get the difference? John says by the Son of God was All things made. That means the angels and men. In short, the sons of God were all created by the power of Christ, the Son of God(or the Member of the God Head who expounds the character, purposes, and will of God the Father).
I never said Jesus power was
Never
His own. But when Christ came in humanity, He
had
the power but laid down the
Independent use
of that power and relied on God the Father to use it for Him. Therefore He was dependent on God the Father for everything.
In short, Christ(Our Heavenly Father) took on Himself the experiences and trials of a christian man today, who has to rely totally on God in order to resist evil. And by total reliance on God, Christ triumphed over sin and Satan!
And also think of this; if he is A SON HOW CAN HE THEN BE CALLED FATHER! -
David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:33 PM)
ISAIAH 9:6 IS ABOUT HEZEKIAH NOT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISAIAH WROTE ABOUT PROPHECIES DURING HIS LIFETIME NOT THE FUTURE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR EFFING HEAD YOU BRAINWASHED FOOL!
There is only ONE GOD, and He IS NOT A TRINITY!!!!!!
The Jews are right
Christians are wrong
Jesus, the prophet, the Messiah, raised from the dead, but is not God
Isaiah wrote about prophecies in his day and the future coming of Christ. He even wrote about the final end of Satan in Isaiah 14. The whole story of Lucifer, the covering Cherub, is there.
The Jews are right. I agree. There is one God. But when God refers to Himself as One Lord, He is talking in the sense of the marriage vows. "For this reason shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his life and they two shall become
One
flesh. Here God is extending a beautiful view of what He meant when He said, "Here O Israel. The Lord your God(God is used in the plural sense) is One Lord." And Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let
Us
make man in
Our
image, after
Our
likeness." And verse 27 says "So God created man in
His
image; In the image of
God
created He him".
If you want to tear down the who bible in order to disprove the existence of Jesus, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace as the Son of God, then you're barking up the wrong tree.
I issue you this challenge. You'll have rip up the who bible in order to disprove Jesus is Not God. He is and He is still looking out for you, even when you're in denial of Him because He loves you that much -
David12222 — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 11:46 PM)
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
Show me one place, in Scripture, that says this text isn't talking about Jesus. To say this text is talking about
ANyone
other than deity is pure blasphemy.
The Gospel of John, the elephant in the room among the 4 Gospels because it presents a VERY DIFFERENT "Jesus" who is nothing like the "Jesus" of the first three gospels strike 1. Strike 2 is that the "I AM" of Moses story was AN ANGEL sent by God, it NEVER mentions a "Son of God nmed "Jesus" representing God talking to Moses". You christians are embarassing, forcing "Jesus" WHERE HE NEVER BELONGED. Strike 3, God had TWO types of LITERAL SONS. Adam, and Angels. Everyone else is ADOPTED.
Please show me the very different Jesus. Because the gospels writers each wrote about the different characteristics of Jesus as well, from 4 different stand points. All these characteristics can be seen in Jesus's life on earth:- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
2.Mark writes of Him as(over all)a servant because Mark mainly emphasize Jesus's role as a servant(one who ministered to man). - Luke or focuses on Christ's role as the Son of Man(which I already explained before.
- John speaks more of Christ in the sense of His divinity, as the Son of God.
As such, all these gospels unite to produce one perfect picture of Christ.
Christ is actually called an Angel in the scripture.
Malachi 3:1 says "the Lord whom you seek, Shall come speedily to
His
temple, even the
messenger of the covenant
(Highlight this phrase), whom you desire, behold,
He
shall come"
messenger of the covenant
, in ancient Hebrew reads "
Angel
of the covenant", as in Hebrew, the word for Angel was actually
messenger
. You see, the inspired men of the bible saw angels as the angelic messengers for the Lord.
And in many cases of the old testament, that phrase "The Angel of the Lord" was actually Christ, the Son of God, who appeared to the prophets in the form of an angel.
Exodus 3:1-4 tells us an
Angel
called Moses from the bush. Steven says the same in Acts 7:30. Yet, Exodus 3:4 says it was God who appeared and spoke to Him. Steven again explains in the following verse it is actually the Lord speaking The
I Am.
Again, Jesus confirms who is in the bush talking to Moses in John 8.
Daniel 10:13 tells of how an angel explains to Daniel that the prince of the kingdom of Persia resisted him for 120 days. Now we know this was no physical battle as the king of Persia was just a man. Thus, this battle the angel speaks of is carried out in the heart of the king. For 120 days the king has resisted the angel's attempts to soften his heart to listen to God's spirit. However, Satan has been called the "Prince of this world" throughout the bible(for example, Job 1:7 and John 14:30), after he caused Adam(the rightful ruler to fall)and all mankind to become sinful.
So here, the angel is really telling Daniel, "I would have come sooner, in answer to your prayer, but Satan,prince of the kingdom of Persia, by working on the king's heart, caused the king to resist my efforts to sway him(the king).
However, as the angel goes on to say, Michael, prince of the first rank(Hebrew interpretation), came to help him, and he succeeded.
Jude 1:9 tells us Michael is the Arch-(head)angel. And Paul tells us in Thessalonians 4:13 that the Lord will descend with a shout and the voice of the Arch angel(Michael) and will raise the dead. John 5:25, Jesus says that "all in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God."
Michael, the Arch angel, is just one of the many names used for Christ.
What these texts are obviously saying is that it was Jesus who stood in the burning bush and talked to Moses, and who came to help the angel break the hold of Satan over the heart of the Persian King. In the scriptures, Jesus, as the Son of God, is the only one who can rebuke Satan.
Jude says Satan tried to keep Jesus(Michael) from resurrecting Moses. But Jude goes on to say He rebukes Satan.
In Zechariah 3:1-7, we have here another clear case in which the Lord, the Son of God, appears as an angel. Zechariah is shown the vision of the then high priest Joshua standing before the
Angel
of the Lord in filthy rags. Satan is also shown to be standing at his side,accusing Joshua to the Angel(Christ)of being unworthy.
Christ reproves Satan and calls Joshua "a brand plucked from the fire"(or a person just
rescued
from the power of sin). In these verses the
Angel
and the word
Lord
are used together repeatedly, revealing exactly who this
Angel
is.
Am I saying in every case throughout the old testament an angel is the same as Christ? No. But in specific instances, and most importantly, when an article is used to define angel(example: The Angel of the Lord)the text is usually telling us that this is no ordinary being or angel speaking.
Men has never spoken with God(the Father)at any time(the o
- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.