Jesus is not god
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:10 PM)
ISAIAH 9:6 IS ABOUT HEZEKIAH NOT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISAIAH WROTE ABOUT PROPHECIES DURING HIS LIFETIME NOT THE FUTURE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR EFFING HEAD YOU BRAINWASHED FOOL!
There is only ONE GOD, and He IS NOT A TRINITY!!!!!!
The Jews are right
Christians are wrong
Jesus, the prophet, the Messiah, raised from the dead, but is not God
T5i -
David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:29 PM)
ISAIAH 9:6 IS ABOUT HEZEKIAH NOT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISAIAH WROTE ABOUT PROPHECIES DURING HIS LIFETIME NOT THE FUTURE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR EFFING HEAD YOU BRAINWASHED FOOL!
There is only ONE GOD, and He IS NOT A TRINITY!!!!!!
The Jews are right
Christians are wrong
Jesus, the prophet, the Messiah, raised from the dead, but is not God
The Jews are right. I agree. There is one God. But when God refers to Himself as One Lord, He is talking in the sense of the marriage vows. "For this reason shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his life and they two shall become
One
flesh. Here God is extending a beautiful view of what He meant when He said, "Here O Israel. The Lord your God(God is used in the plural sense) is One Lord." And Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let
Us
make man in
Our
image, after
Our
likeness." And verse 27 says "So God created man in
His
image; In the image of
God
created He him".
If you want to tear down the who bible in order to disprove the existence of Jesus, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace as the Son of God, then you're barking up the wrong tree.
I issue you this challenge. You'll have rip up the who bible in order to disprove Jesus is Not God. He is and He is still looking out for you, even when you're in denial of Him because He loves you that much -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 02:04 AM)
The Jews are right. I agree. There is one God. But when God refers to Himself as One Lord, He is talking in the sense of the marriage vows. "For this reason shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his life and they two shall become One flesh. Here God is extending a beautiful view of what He meant when He said, "Here O Israel. The Lord your God(God is used in the plural sense) is One Lord." And Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness." And verse 27 says "So God created man in His image; In the image of God created He him".
WRONG IT IS NEVER PLURAL WHEN REFERRING TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL! Elohim is plural ONLY when referring to PAGAN GODS!
WRONG The "Us" and "Our image" in Genesis refers to, as the jews have ALWAYS SAID, THE ANGELS AND HEAVENLY BODIES! NOT JESUS YOU PRICK! If the text meant Jesus then why have the jews NEVER TAUGHT IT!!!! Because it ISNT ABOUT HIM!!
AGAIN YOURE BEING A DUMB ASS!! YOU HAVENT READ A WORD I SAID! I SAID JESUS EXISTED STUPID beep I AM SAYING HE IS NOT GOD! NO NO NOOO!!! YOU beep RETARD! HE IS NOT THE HEAVENLY FAATHER NOR THE COUNSELLOR NOR THE MIGHTY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!! ISAIH 9:6 IS NOT ABOUT HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!! beep RETARD! YOULL PAY FOR YOUR LIES!
HERE IS THE HEBREW TRANSLATION OF ISAIAH 9:5 (9:6 in ENgluish)
ASET
Isaiah 9:5 For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and the dominion will rest on his shoulder; the Wondrous Adviser, Mighty God, Eternal Father, called his name Sar-shalom [Prince of Peace];
Not calling the child ANY of those except Prince. And AGAIN IT WAS ABOUT HEZEKIAH!!!
T5i -
David12222 — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 05:56 AM)
WRONG The "Us" and "Our image" in Genesis refers to, as the jews have ALWAYS SAID, THE ANGELS AND HEAVENLY BODIES! NOT JESUS YOU PRICK! If the text meant Jesus then why have the jews NEVER TAUGHT IT!!!! Because it ISNT ABOUT HIM!!
Why haven't the Jews taught it? Some of the jews have understood it to mean the Trinity. Isaiah, David in many of the psalms, Job, and others.
Now, why haven't the Jews taught it? Hmm. I believe this goes back to what they when they took responsibility of crucifying Jesus when they said, "His blood be on us and on our children". Now lets see what that meant? In the bible, the Jew's often used blood to symbolize life. Blood also was used to symbolize guilt. This is proven when the man came to David, bragging about killing Saul. David told the man "Your blood be on your own head", before killing him. which symbolized,
you alone will bear the guilt for this deed!" David confirmed this again in 2 Samuel 4:11 and 2 Samuel 3:29.
This principle also is applied when God told Cain, "your brother's blood crieth out to me from the ground."
So what the Jews did, in making the statement that "His blood be on us and on our children", was to say that we're going to knowingly take the take the guilt of this man(Christ)death on us and that, as a nation, we will continue to teach our children and our children's children that Jesus was Never our messiah!
Which the nation of Israel is doing today. The nation of Isreal will forever bear the guilt of killing Jesus. And many Jewish scholars will lie and distort the understanding of their own texts to prove that Jesus was not the Messiah or God. And now you ask how come the Jews never taught that
Us
in Genesis 1 is talking about the trinity? Some of the faithful Jewish writers of old and even some today, do understand this concept, which is why you will find it scattered throughout the scriptures by many of the prophets, some of which I mentioned before.
WRONG IT IS NEVER PLURAL WHEN REFERRING TO THE GOD OF ISRAEL! Elohim is plural ONLY when referring to PAGAN GODS!
WRONG The "Us" and "Our image" in Genesis refers to, as the jews have ALWAYS SAID, THE ANGELS AND HEAVENLY BODIES! NOT JESUS YOU PRICK! If the text meant Jesus then why have the jews NEVER TAUGHT IT!!!! Because it ISNT ABOUT HIM!!
I'll tell you what. You look at the word God in that verse in a strong concordance/greek and Hebrew. You can argue with the the concordance but it says explicitly that the word for God Elohiem, is used in the Plural sense. If can't understand that then that's your problem. Argue with the concordance.
Isaiah 9:5 For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and the dominion will rest on his shoulder; the Wondrous Adviser, Mighty God, Eternal Father, called his name Sar-shalom [Prince of Peace];
Then you can rest in your blasphemy. Because Hezekiah was never called the prince of Peace. He was a king who made wars. And don't lie on the Hebrew. I'm using a Hebrew bible and it says "A son has been given to usthe Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler". Now considering the fact that sometimes the
modern
translations of Hebrew have deliberately doctored the understanding of how the ancient Hebrew texts should be read in order to deny that all these texts point to Jesus, I'm still surprise that the the modern hebrew translation remained honest in this verse.
So even amid a doubtful translation of this verse, the truth still emerged and Jesus is still referred to as the Eternal Father and a ruler of peace.
Thank you
I won't be responding to you again because you're ranting, cursing, and deliberately refusing to accept the truth. -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 14, 2016 12:39 AM)
Why haven't the Jews taught it? Some of the jews have understood it to mean the Trinity. Isaiah, David in many of the psalms, Job, and others.
HAH! You make me laugh by your stupidity! Isaiah, David, Job believing in a TRINITY!? STOP LYING! They were MONOTEHISTIC! Meaning ONE GOD MADE OF ONE BEING NOT THREE!
Isaiah SPECIFICALLY quotes GOD as saying "I ALONE made the Heavens and earth, WHO ELSE WAS WITH ME?" Some jews in those times were saying God had help at creation because the jews were living among gentiles during the wars and picking up gentile beliefs of multiple gods working together to make the universe. God however says, "I ALONE MADE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, who was with me?" The answer is NO ONE ELSE.
TRINITY - A word NOT IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE.
MONOTHEISM - Belief in ONE GOD made of ONE BEING.
Trinity = 3 = Plural = POLYTHEISTIC. 1+1+1 = 3. Now christinas in the last ten years have come up with a stupid @$$ excuse saying 1x1x1 = 1 BUT WAIT. If theyre SEPERATE and not the same but make up the same deity then MULTIPLYING DOESNT WORK. Adding works because youre taking SEPERATE ONES not the same being spread in three.
Now, why haven't the Jews taught it? Hmm. I believe this goes back to what they when they took responsibility of crucifying Jesus when they said, "His blood be on us and on our children".
Now this one is lesser known to the public so Ill go easy on you this time. The passage you quoted is a forgery made by a scribe to pin the blame of Yahusha Jesus death on the jews. Look it up, its not in the earliest manuscripts of Matthew nor is it in the other gospels. I believe if memory serves right, that the NET has a footnote on it
The prophets never taught a trinity. I already explained those stupid corrupted passages to you. Im not calling the Holy verses stupid or corrupt, Im calling your understanding of them that because Youve been brainwashed into corrupting them from what they originally meant.
I'll tell you what. You look at the word God in that verse in a strong concordance/greek and Hebrew. You can argue with the the concordance but it says explicitly that the word for God Elohiem, is used in the Plural sense. If can't understand that then that's your problem. Argue with the concordance
Ill argue with him until I am no more. His dumb @$$ was probably a Christian trinitarian which = bias.
The angels were considered lesser gods, hence why they are also known as, GASP, SONS OF GOD and are even called that in Genesis and JOB! Their whole power comes not from themselves but from God, much like "Jesus" power was never his own power but God's power. Now if God didnt want him to have power he could instantly take it away making Jesus a mere man again. Shows you how much power Jesus didnt have since he relied on God to give him power to heal, etc.
But if God is almighty and relies on no one, and Jesus didnt have his own power = HE CANT BE GOD.
Then you can rest in your blasphemy. Because Hezekiah was never called the prince of Peace. He was a king who made wars. And don't lie on the Hebrew. I'm using a Hebrew bible and it says "A son has been given to usthe Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler". Now considering the fact that sometimes the modern translations of Hebrew have deliberately doctored the understanding of how the ancient Hebrew texts should be read in order to deny that all these texts point to Jesus, I'm still surprise that the the modern hebrew translation remained honest in this verse.
So even amid a doubtful translation of this verse, the truth still emerged and Jesus is still referred to as the Eternal Father and a ruler of peace.
"A son HAS BEEN GIVEN" = Already happened at the time it was written. Therefore = Not jesus. And Isaiah wrote about things THAT WERE GOING TO HAPPEN IN HIS LIFE TIME! Get that through your head you pagan.
Jesus was NEVER called "Father" nor "Mighty God" nor "Wonderful Counsellor". NO ONE ever said to Jesus "My God help me!"
And also think of this; if he is A SON HOW CAN HE THEN BE CALLED FATHER! A son is NOT his father and his son! If you are a Father you have a son, if you are your son and your own father you are a contradiction!
Isaiah 9:7 also indicates that the subject of the passage would bring peace forever. Did jesus come to bring peace? Hell no! Luke 12:51 Not peace BUT DIVISION/A SWORD
T5i -
David12222 — 10 years ago(February 14, 2016 09:41 AM)
Isaiah SPECIFICALLY quotes GOD as saying "I ALONE made the Heavens and earth, WHO ELSE WAS WITH ME?" Some jews in those times were saying God had help at creation because the jews were living among gentiles during the wars and picking up gentile beliefs of multiple gods working together to make the universe. God however says, "I ALONE MADE THE HEAVENS AND EARTH, who was with me?" The answer is NO ONE ELSE.
Just note. Who do you think was talking in that verse? The Son of God. All Three members of Deity were present in the creation of the earth. And in the bible, They are referred to as
One Lord
because they're one in purpose and mind.
God is in three Persons. The Father, The Son, And the Holy Spirit. But God is also called
One God
so that verse you quoted makes
Perfect
sense.
Elohiem. "Here O Isreal, the Lord Our God is One Lord!"
I already explained this verse was talking about the trinity. So don't assume J
NO ONE ever said to Jesus "My God help me!"
John 20:28. Read it. And next time, don't lie on the bible as you're proving yourself to be a liar.
Did jesus come to bring peace? Hell no! Luke 12:51 Not peace BUT DIVISION/A SWORD
Sorry but I have to answer this!
Isaiah 45:7 says "I create good and I create Evil; I the Lord do all these things!" Is Isaiah saying here God
creates
evil? No! What God is saying here is that because He(God), didn't
prevent
evil from arising, He takes the blame for every evil and calamity in the world, when in actuality, it is Satan and evil men who bring evil. But since He(God), doesn't always stop these things from happening, it is written as if He did it.
Remember, many things throughout the old and new testament is built on this one principle; What God permits(didn't prevent)from occurring, is written as if He Actually did it.
One powerful example is when David decide to number Isreal. 1 Samuel 24 says God moved David to number Isreal. 1 Chronicles 21 turns around and says the opposite: that Satan stirred David up to number Isreal. And this principle is found in many of the scripture texts of the old and new testament!
In summary, the inspired men who wrote the bible looked upon God as the Sovereign Ruler. Without His consent, nothing bad can happen as He is all power and in control of everything! So when God does not
prevent
Satan or men from doing something, the bible authors often wrote that God did it, since He is Sovereign and didn't stop what was happening.
Jesus said He came to bring a sword/division. Jesus
did
come to bring division. He was saying that His words and teaching would bring divisons between the son, father, mother, and daughter. Between friends and neighbors. How? Because the son or father, or friend who accepts Jesus's teaching as the standard for his life will become at odds with family members and friends who are unbelievers.
My mom was born a baptist in the baptist church but when she left the baptist organization and joined another church which followed more clearly the teachings of Christ and the bible than her family church, that created tensions between her and her family because she started teaching new truths from the bible that her family disbelieved.
This is the sword/division Jesus is speaking of that He came to bring. A modern way of saying it would be Jesus was saying that the acceptance of Him and His teachings would create division between those who believe in Him and those who follow after the world.
The angels were considered lesser gods, hence why they are also known as, GASP, SONS OF GOD and are even called that in Genesis and JOB! Their whole power comes not from themselves but from God, much like "Jesus" power was never his own power but God's power. Now if God didnt want him to have power he could instantly take it away making Jesus a mere man again. Shows you how much power Jesus didnt have since he relied on God to give him power to heal, etc.
1 John 3:2 says all those who come to God/Christ, are sons of God. This is not just limited to Angels. Luke 3:38 says Adam was called a son of God. Therefore, all those who were created by God and who follow Him are called sons of God.
But there is only
One
Son of God. Get the difference? John says by the Son of God was All things made. That means the angels and men. In short, the sons of God were all created by the power of Christ, the Son of God(or the Member of the God Head who expounds the character, purposes, and will of God the Father).
I never said Jesus power was
Never
His own. But when Christ came in humanity, He
had
the power but laid down the
Independent use
of that power and relied on God the Father to use it for Him. Therefore He was dependent on God the Father for everything.
In short, Christ(Our Heavenly Father) took on Himself the experiences and trials of a christian man today, who has to rely totally on God in order to resist evil. And by total reliance on God, Christ triumphed over sin and Satan!
And also think of this; if he is A SON HOW CAN HE THEN BE CALLED FATHER! -
David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:33 PM)
ISAIAH 9:6 IS ABOUT HEZEKIAH NOT JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!
ISAIAH WROTE ABOUT PROPHECIES DURING HIS LIFETIME NOT THE FUTURE GET THAT THROUGH YOUR EFFING HEAD YOU BRAINWASHED FOOL!
There is only ONE GOD, and He IS NOT A TRINITY!!!!!!
The Jews are right
Christians are wrong
Jesus, the prophet, the Messiah, raised from the dead, but is not God
Isaiah wrote about prophecies in his day and the future coming of Christ. He even wrote about the final end of Satan in Isaiah 14. The whole story of Lucifer, the covering Cherub, is there.
The Jews are right. I agree. There is one God. But when God refers to Himself as One Lord, He is talking in the sense of the marriage vows. "For this reason shall a man leave his father and his mother and cleave unto his life and they two shall become
One
flesh. Here God is extending a beautiful view of what He meant when He said, "Here O Israel. The Lord your God(God is used in the plural sense) is One Lord." And Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let
Us
make man in
Our
image, after
Our
likeness." And verse 27 says "So God created man in
His
image; In the image of
God
created He him".
If you want to tear down the who bible in order to disprove the existence of Jesus, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace as the Son of God, then you're barking up the wrong tree.
I issue you this challenge. You'll have rip up the who bible in order to disprove Jesus is Not God. He is and He is still looking out for you, even when you're in denial of Him because He loves you that much -
David12222 — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 11:46 PM)
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
Show me one place, in Scripture, that says this text isn't talking about Jesus. To say this text is talking about
ANyone
other than deity is pure blasphemy.
The Gospel of John, the elephant in the room among the 4 Gospels because it presents a VERY DIFFERENT "Jesus" who is nothing like the "Jesus" of the first three gospels strike 1. Strike 2 is that the "I AM" of Moses story was AN ANGEL sent by God, it NEVER mentions a "Son of God nmed "Jesus" representing God talking to Moses". You christians are embarassing, forcing "Jesus" WHERE HE NEVER BELONGED. Strike 3, God had TWO types of LITERAL SONS. Adam, and Angels. Everyone else is ADOPTED.
Please show me the very different Jesus. Because the gospels writers each wrote about the different characteristics of Jesus as well, from 4 different stand points. All these characteristics can be seen in Jesus's life on earth:- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
2.Mark writes of Him as(over all)a servant because Mark mainly emphasize Jesus's role as a servant(one who ministered to man). - Luke or focuses on Christ's role as the Son of Man(which I already explained before.
- John speaks more of Christ in the sense of His divinity, as the Son of God.
As such, all these gospels unite to produce one perfect picture of Christ.
Christ is actually called an Angel in the scripture.
Malachi 3:1 says "the Lord whom you seek, Shall come speedily to
His
temple, even the
messenger of the covenant
(Highlight this phrase), whom you desire, behold,
He
shall come"
messenger of the covenant
, in ancient Hebrew reads "
Angel
of the covenant", as in Hebrew, the word for Angel was actually
messenger
. You see, the inspired men of the bible saw angels as the angelic messengers for the Lord.
And in many cases of the old testament, that phrase "The Angel of the Lord" was actually Christ, the Son of God, who appeared to the prophets in the form of an angel.
Exodus 3:1-4 tells us an
Angel
called Moses from the bush. Steven says the same in Acts 7:30. Yet, Exodus 3:4 says it was God who appeared and spoke to Him. Steven again explains in the following verse it is actually the Lord speaking The
I Am.
Again, Jesus confirms who is in the bush talking to Moses in John 8.
Daniel 10:13 tells of how an angel explains to Daniel that the prince of the kingdom of Persia resisted him for 120 days. Now we know this was no physical battle as the king of Persia was just a man. Thus, this battle the angel speaks of is carried out in the heart of the king. For 120 days the king has resisted the angel's attempts to soften his heart to listen to God's spirit. However, Satan has been called the "Prince of this world" throughout the bible(for example, Job 1:7 and John 14:30), after he caused Adam(the rightful ruler to fall)and all mankind to become sinful.
So here, the angel is really telling Daniel, "I would have come sooner, in answer to your prayer, but Satan,prince of the kingdom of Persia, by working on the king's heart, caused the king to resist my efforts to sway him(the king).
However, as the angel goes on to say, Michael, prince of the first rank(Hebrew interpretation), came to help him, and he succeeded.
Jude 1:9 tells us Michael is the Arch-(head)angel. And Paul tells us in Thessalonians 4:13 that the Lord will descend with a shout and the voice of the Arch angel(Michael) and will raise the dead. John 5:25, Jesus says that "all in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God."
Michael, the Arch angel, is just one of the many names used for Christ.
What these texts are obviously saying is that it was Jesus who stood in the burning bush and talked to Moses, and who came to help the angel break the hold of Satan over the heart of the Persian King. In the scriptures, Jesus, as the Son of God, is the only one who can rebuke Satan.
Jude says Satan tried to keep Jesus(Michael) from resurrecting Moses. But Jude goes on to say He rebukes Satan.
In Zechariah 3:1-7, we have here another clear case in which the Lord, the Son of God, appears as an angel. Zechariah is shown the vision of the then high priest Joshua standing before the
Angel
of the Lord in filthy rags. Satan is also shown to be standing at his side,accusing Joshua to the Angel(Christ)of being unworthy.
Christ reproves Satan and calls Joshua "a brand plucked from the fire"(or a person just
rescued
from the power of sin). In these verses the
Angel
and the word
Lord
are used together repeatedly, revealing exactly who this
Angel
is.
Am I saying in every case throughout the old testament an angel is the same as Christ? No. But in specific instances, and most importantly, when an article is used to define angel(example: The Angel of the Lord)the text is usually telling us that this is no ordinary being or angel speaking.
Men has never spoken with God(the Father)at any time(the o
- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
-
David12222 — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 11:47 PM)
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
Show me one place, in Scripture, that says this text isn't talking about Jesus. To say this text is talking about
ANyone
other than deity is pure blasphemy.
The Gospel of John, the elephant in the room among the 4 Gospels because it presents a VERY DIFFERENT "Jesus" who is nothing like the "Jesus" of the first three gospels strike 1. Strike 2 is that the "I AM" of Moses story was AN ANGEL sent by God, it NEVER mentions a "Son of God nmed "Jesus" representing God talking to Moses". You christians are embarassing, forcing "Jesus" WHERE HE NEVER BELONGED. Strike 3, God had TWO types of LITERAL SONS. Adam, and Angels. Everyone else is ADOPTED.
Please show me the very different Jesus. Because the gospels writers each wrote about the different characteristics of Jesus as well, from 4 different stand points. All these characteristics can be seen in Jesus's life on earth:- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
2.Mark writes of Him as(over all)a servant because Mark mainly emphasize Jesus's role as a servant(one who ministered to man). - Luke or focuses on Christ's role as the Son of Man(which I already explained before.
- John speaks more of Christ in the sense of His divinity, as the Son of God.
As such, all these gospels unite to produce one perfect picture of Christ.
Christ is actually called an Angel in the scripture.
Malachi 3:1 says "the Lord whom you seek, Shall come speedily to
His
temple, even the
messenger of the covenant
(Highlight this phrase), whom you desire, behold,
He
shall come"
messenger of the covenant
, in ancient Hebrew reads "
Angel
of the covenant", as in Hebrew, the word for Angel was actually
messenger
. You see, the inspired men of the bible saw angels as the angelic messengers for the Lord.
And in many cases of the old testament, that phrase "The Angel of the Lord" was actually Christ, the Son of God, who appeared to the prophets in the form of an angel.
Exodus 3:1-4 tells us an
Angel
called Moses from the bush. Steven says the same in Acts 7:30. Yet, Exodus 3:4 says it was God who appeared and spoke to Him. Steven again explains in the following verse it is actually the Lord speaking The
I Am.
Again, Jesus confirms who is in the bush talking to Moses in John 8.
Daniel 10:13 tells of how an angel explains to Daniel that the prince of the kingdom of Persia resisted him for 120 days. Now we know this was no physical battle as the king of Persia was just a man. Thus, this battle the angel speaks of is carried out in the heart of the king. For 120 days the king has resisted the angel's attempts to soften his heart to listen to God's spirit. However, Satan has been called the "Prince of this world" throughout the bible(for example, Job 1:7 and John 14:30), after he caused Adam(the rightful ruler to fall)and all mankind to become sinful.
So here, the angel is really telling Daniel, "I would have come sooner, in answer to your prayer, but Satan,prince of the kingdom of Persia, by working on the king's heart, caused the king to resist my efforts to sway him(the king).
However, as the angel goes on to say, Michael, prince of the first rank(Hebrew interpretation), came to help him, and he succeeded.
Jude 1:9 tells us Michael is the Arch-(head)angel. And Paul tells us in Thessalonians 4:13 that the Lord will descend with a shout and the voice of the Arch angel(Michael) and will raise the dead. John 5:25, Jesus says that "all in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God."
Michael, the Arch angel, is just one of the many names used for Christ.
What these texts are obviously saying is that it was Jesus who stood in the burning bush and talked to Moses, and who came to help the angel break the hold of Satan over the heart of the Persian King. In the scriptures, Jesus, as the Son of God, is the only one who can rebuke Satan.
Jude says Satan tried to keep Jesus(Michael) from resurrecting Moses. But Jude goes on to say He rebukes Satan.
In Zechariah 3:1-7, we have here another clear case in which the Lord, the Son of God, appears as an angel. Zechariah is shown the vision of the then high priest Joshua standing before the
Angel
of the Lord in filthy rags. Satan is also shown to be standing at his side,accusing Joshua to the Angel(Christ)of being unworthy.
Christ reproves Satan and calls Joshua "a brand plucked from the fire"(or a person just
rescued
from the power of sin). In these verses the
Angel
and the word
Lord
are used together repeatedly, revealing exactly who this
Angel
is.
Am I saying in every case throughout the old testament an angel is the same as Christ? No. But in specific instances, and most importantly, when an article is used to define angel(example: The Angel of the Lord)the text is usually telling us that this is no ordinary being or angel speaking.
Men has never spoken with God(the Father)at any time(the o
- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
-
David12222 — 10 years ago(January 27, 2016 11:48 PM)
You forgot one thing, Isaiah 7 and 9:6 ARENT ABOUT HIM.
Show me one place, in Scripture, that says this text isn't talking about Jesus. To say this text is talking about
ANyone
other than deity is pure blasphemy.
The Gospel of John, the elephant in the room among the 4 Gospels because it presents a VERY DIFFERENT "Jesus" who is nothing like the "Jesus" of the first three gospels strike 1. Strike 2 is that the "I AM" of Moses story was AN ANGEL sent by God, it NEVER mentions a "Son of God nmed "Jesus" representing God talking to Moses". You christians are embarassing, forcing "Jesus" WHERE HE NEVER BELONGED. Strike 3, God had TWO types of LITERAL SONS. Adam, and Angels. Everyone else is ADOPTED.
Please show me the very different Jesus. Because the gospels writers each wrote about the different characteristics of Jesus as well, from 4 different stand points. All these characteristics can be seen in Jesus's life on earth:- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
2.Mark writes of Him as(over all)a servant because Mark mainly emphasize Jesus's role as a servant(one who ministered to man). - Luke or focuses on Christ's role as the Son of Man(which I already explained before.
- John speaks more of Christ in the sense of His divinity, as the Son of God.
As such, all these gospels unite to produce one perfect picture of Christ.
Christ is actually called an Angel in the scripture.
Malachi 3:1 says "the Lord whom you seek, Shall come speedily to
His
temple, even the
messenger of the covenant
(Highlight this phrase), whom you desire, behold,
He
shall come"
messenger of the covenant
, in ancient Hebrew reads "
Angel
of the covenant", as in Hebrew, the word for Angel was actually
messenger
. You see, the inspired men of the bible saw angels as the angelic messengers for the Lord.
And in many cases of the old testament, that phrase "The Angel of the Lord" was actually Christ, the Son of God, who appeared to the prophets in the form of an angel.
Exodus 3:1-4 tells us an
Angel
called Moses from the bush. Steven says the same in Acts 7:30. Yet, Exodus 3:4 says it was God who appeared and spoke to Him. Steven again explains in the following verse it is actually the Lord speaking The
I Am.
Again, Jesus confirms who is in the bush talking to Moses in John 8.
Daniel 10:13 tells of how an angel explains to Daniel that the prince of the kingdom of Persia resisted him for 120 days. Now we know this was no physical battle as the king of Persia was just a man. Thus, this battle the angel speaks of is carried out in the heart of the king. For 120 days the king has resisted the angel's attempts to soften his heart to listen to God's spirit. However, Satan has been called the "Prince of this world" throughout the bible(for example, Job 1:7 and John 14:30), after he caused Adam(the rightful ruler to fall)and all mankind to become sinful.
So here, the angel is really telling Daniel, "I would have come sooner, in answer to your prayer, but Satan,prince of the kingdom of Persia, by working on the king's heart, caused the king to resist my efforts to sway him(the king).
However, as the angel goes on to say, Michael, prince of the first rank(Hebrew interpretation), came to help him, and he succeeded.
Jude 1:9 tells us Michael is the Arch-(head)angel. And Paul tells us in Thessalonians 4:13 that the Lord will descend with a shout and the voice of the Arch angel(Michael) and will raise the dead. John 5:25, Jesus says that "all in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of God."
Michael, the Arch angel, is just one of the many names used for Christ.
What these texts are obviously saying is that it was Jesus who stood in the burning bush and talked to Moses, and who came to help the angel break the hold of Satan over the heart of the Persian King. In the scriptures, Jesus, as the Son of God, is the only one who can rebuke Satan.
Jude says Satan tried to keep Jesus(Michael) from resurrecting Moses. But Jude goes on to say He rebukes Satan.
In Zechariah 3:1-7, we have here another clear case in which the Lord, the Son of God, appears as an angel. Zechariah is shown the vision of the then high priest Joshua standing before the
Angel
of the Lord in filthy rags. Satan is also shown to be standing at his side,accusing Joshua to the Angel(Christ)of being unworthy.
Christ reproves Satan and calls Joshua "a brand plucked from the fire"(or a person just
rescued
from the power of sin). In these verses the
Angel
and the word
Lord
are used together repeatedly, revealing exactly who this
Angel
is.
Am I saying in every case throughout the old testament an angel is the same as Christ? No. But in specific instances, and most importantly, when an article is used to define angel(example: The Angel of the Lord)the text is usually telling us that this is no ordinary being or angel speaking.
Men has never spoken with God(the Father)at any time(the o
- Notice Matthew writes of Jesus(over all)in the style of a strong conqueror or king, as Matthew emphasized how Christ stood strong before His adversaries.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 06, 2016 07:10 PM)
SCREW YOU LIAR! I believe in GOD and Jesus is not him! Im not saying Jesus isnt important, Im saying HE IS NOT GOD. SO stop your stupid worrying.
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 07, 2016 06:52 PM)
Look, keep up denying Jesus is not God. When God give you evidence to the contrary, and you keep resisting it, then eventually it will become a sin for you, because what you've done is continue to stifle any conviction God might give you.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 08, 2016 06:06 PM)
It is outright stated that he is not God. Im still alive because I know the truth. You know who imagined that their gods were MEN? GREEKS AND PAGANS. The jews said that a man being God is BLASPHEMEY AND IT IS!!!
GOD CANT DIE! JESUS DIED! IF HES GOD AND HE DIED WHO THE beep RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD IF GOD DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 06:30 AM)
GOD CANT DIE! JESUS DIED! IF HES GOD AND HE DIED WHO THE beep RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD IF GOD DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever heard that God is Three persons? The Heavenly Father, the Word(Christ)and the Holy Spirit. And these three are One. Meaning, all three are united in purpose, in their love for creation, and united in the work of saving men. These Three are one. Read 1 John 5:7.
You're right. God in divinity can't die. But Christ, the Word, the Son of God, took on Himself humanity and Hebrews 2:17 said, "For it behooved Him to be made like unto His brotheren." And Hebrew's 4:14-15 said that He was touched with all our infirmities, like us, and was tempted to sin in all points like us. The only difference was that He Never sinned. That's why the following verse 16 says He is worthy to stand as our High Priest, because in Christ's humanity, He felt all the trials and struggles we go through.
IF HES GOD AND HE DIED WHO THE beep RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD IF GOD DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was an angel, acting on the word and power of the Heavenly Father, that called Jesus from the tomb. Matthew 28:2-4 says a powerful Angel came from heaven,who's face was like lightening, came and rolled away the tomb. And that Roman guard around the tomb was so terrified at the sight of him that they lost all courage and collapsed like dead men. In Hebrews 13:20, the writer(whom I personally believe is Paul, based on the style of writing)says, that God brought Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, from the dead.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 01:43 AM)
1 John 5:7 in Modern manuscripts from the 16th century have those words FORGED! But alas youre yet anothe Christian NITWIT WHO IGNORES THE FOOTNOTES THAT SAYS ITS FORGED. FORGED = FAKE if you didnt know the original does not say that. But go back to being a stupid F word. There is no beep trinity and NEVER HAS BEEN. Hebrews says he was ADOPTED
An angel DID NOT RAISE HIM dumb beep It says an Angel merely showed the women the tomb was empty learn how to read. Well it depends what you read since the resurecction contradicts eachother in EVERY gospel; 1 Angel in Matt rolled the stone, a Young man in mark BUT the stone was already rolled away before the women got there, 2 men in white Luke, No angel mentioned in John.
There is ZERO record of jesus before his birth. There are a hundred verses that say Jesus IS NOT God, I listed 10 of them. I cant help it that youre Ignorant. Saying Jesus isnt God is not blasphemy. Saying he is God is blasphemy. Now beep off, I hate you LIAR
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 10:57 AM)
An angel DID NOT RAISE HIM dumb beep It says an Angel merely showed the women the tomb was empty learn how to read. Well it depends what you read since the resurecction contradicts eachother in EVERY gospel; 1 Angel in Matt rolled the stone, a Young man in mark BUT the stone was already rolled away before the women got there, 2 men in white Luke, No angel mentioned in John.
What did David mean then, when he said,"The Lord said to my Lord, sit thou at my right hand till I make thy enemies my foot stool?" This text can only be true if it is understood in the light of God(the Heavenly Father)is talking to God, Christ,(the Son of God). Otherwise, you will have to say that David is lying along with Matthew and John. You said John was lying before in John 1 and now you're hinting that Matthew is lying by saying an angel came from heaven and called Jesus from the tomb.
All the gospels talk of the resurrection. But only one goes into detail about how the angel came down. All the gospels mentioned how the angel talked to the women at the tomb but Matthew is the only one that goes further back and says what happen
Prior
to the women coming to the tomb. 1 angel rode away the stone true. But what happened was that after the angel rolled away the stone, in the power of the heavenly Father, he called Jesus from death. Therefore, when the women came back to the tomb, the stone was rolled away because Jesus had already risen. The gospels themselves say this. John says Mary saw two angels sitting in the tomb. Matthew says just an angel. Luke 24:4 says the women came to the tomb and saw two men in shining clothes. Mark says young man in white clothes.
To me, all these gospels come together like a puzzle. Each gospel included one detail while another included anther detail. From looking at the whole picture,
one
angel came down from heaven with the command from God to raise Jesus from the grave. This is the angel Matthew refers too. Mark only mentions this one angel and he refers to him as a young man dressed in white. (If you recall, angels have appeared numerous times to people throughout the bible in
form
of men. Read the story of Samson, of Gideon, of how the two angels visited Lot, Abraham's nephew, in the form of men at
Sodom and Gomorrah
.)
Luke sheds a little more light onto the puzzle by saying that it was two men in shinning clothes(angels), sitting at the tomb. So what we now see is that Matthew and Mark mentioned
Only
the angel who came down
directly
from heaven. Luke lets us know that the first angel that came down from heaven was met by a
second
angel who was apparently watching over the tomb, waiting for the moment of resurrection. Therefore, Luke tells us there were two shinning men, angels, sitting at the tomb.
One
angel was the one who came down from heaven with the power of God to resurrect Jesus while the
second
angel was already waiting near the tomb when the
first
angel coming from heaven arrived. Luke mentions both of these angels while Mark and Matthew only mentions one. John adds the details with Luke and says that there were two angels in white sitting at the tomb. Luke says two men in shining clothes. See, when read correctly, all the gospels come together as a nice puzzle.
In summary, while the first angel from heaven came and resurrected Jesus(by God's power), the second angel joined him and together they waited for the women to come. The women came
after
the resurrection had already occurred. This is why the angels left the women with instructions that Jesus was alive and that He would go ahead of them to Galilee. This is why Luke and John says that both angels met the women at the tomb. Matthew and Marks mentions this too but they did not mention the second angel, only first one who came from heaven.
And what happened was that God sent His angel to raise Jesus from the tomb. Hebrews 13 said it. Matthew said it. And many other texts of the new testament and old says it too. Here's one final text for you. Hosea 6:2 says "After two days will He revive us, and in the third day, He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight."
This text in Hosea was a prophecy that was fulfilled at Jesus resurrection. After being three days in the tomb, on the third day that Sunday morning, the angel came and called Jesus from the grave. The us used in Hosea is talking about humanity, since, Christ took us into Himself, died, and rose again. Ephesians 2:5-6 explains this.
There is ZERO record of jesus before his birth. There are a hundred verses that say Jesus is God, I listed 10 of them. I cant help it that youre Ignorant. Saying Jesus isnt God is not blasphemy. Saying he is God is blasphemy. Now beep off, I hate you LIAR
Not true. Matthew and Luke both list Jesus's origin of birth, from Joseph and Mary side of the family. And there's all the prophets of the old testament.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 01:12 AM)
David never said who his Lord was. Youve never heard of the Middle ages have you fool? Lord was a RANK and Title. The text called Matt DOES NOT SAY THE ANGEL CALLED JESUS FROM THE TOMB BECAUSE THE TOMB WAS EMPTY BEFORE HE ROLLED IT AWAY. Again, the gospels contradict eacother on how many or what exactly was there, angels, men, or no one.
NO not all of the gospels say an angel was there liar i explained it above! All the gospels give different numbers for EVERYTHING. Angels, men, how many women went, what time, guards or no guards, joseph arimethea alone or with another, how many strips of linen cloth etc.
LIAR I EXPLAINED THIS ABOVE! JOHN SAYS MARY WENT ALONE AND NEVER MENTIONS AN ANGEL! Get your facts straight lazy ass. AND YOU ARE A LIAR MAKING EXCUSES FOR CONTRADICTIONS! LUKE NEVER SAID ONE CAME AND MET ANOTHER HE SAID THER WERE ALWAYS TWO!!!
"Hosea 6:2 says "After two days will He revive us, and in the third day, He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight."
This text in Hosea was a prophecy that was fulfilled at Jesus resurrection. "
YOU LYING SACK OF beep IT SAYS US NOT HIM AND IT WAS NOT ABOUT JESUS READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU LYING SACK OF beep
THE CHAPTER WAS ABOUT ISRAELS PAIN FROM WAR AND LOSSES NOT ABOUT JESUS YOU RETARD! YOU CHERRY PICKING ASS WIPE!!!
NO LUKE AND MATT SAID ONLY JOSEPH SIDE!!!!!!!!! NO ONE KNEW MARYS GENEALOGY BECAUSE JEWS WENT THROUGH THE MALE SIDE ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"1 John 5:7 in Modern manuscripts from the 16th century have those words FORGED! But alas youre yet anothe Christian NITWIT WHO IGNORES THE FOOTNOTES THAT SAYS ITS FORGED. FORGED = FAKE if you didnt know the original does not say that. But go back to being a stupid F word. There is no beep trinity and NEVER HAS BEEN. Hebrews says he was adopted"
READ WHAT I SAID EVERYONE KNOWS 1 John 5:7 is a FORGERY except your dumb ass
Some Bible translators of past centuries were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity in the Scriptures that they literally added it. A case in point is 1 John 5:7-8.
It reads in the King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The words in italics are simply not a part of the generally accepted New Testament manuscripts. Regrettably, in this particular passage some other versions read essentially the same.
Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text. Consider the words of The New Bible Commentary: Revised: Notice that AV [the Authorized Version] includes additional material at this point. But the words are clearly a gloss [an added note] and are rightly excluded by RSV [the Revised Standard Version] even from its margins (1970, p. 1269).
In the New Revised Standard Version, 1 John 5:7-8 correctly and more concisely reads, There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree. John personifies the three elements here as providing testimony, just as Solomon personified wisdom in the book of Proverbs.
Many other more recent Bible versions likewise recognize the spurious added text and omit it, including the New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.
The textual evidence is against 1 John 5:7, explains Dr. Neil Lightfoot, a New Testament professor. Of all the Greek manuscripts, only two contain it. These two manuscripts are of very late dates, one from the fourteenth or fifteenth century and the other from the sixteenth century. Two other manuscripts have this verse written in the margin. All four manuscripts show that this verse was apparently translated from a late form of the Latin Vulgate ( How We Got the Bible, 2003, pp. 100-101).
The Expositors Bible Commentary also dismisses the King James and New King James Versions additions in 1 John 5:7-8 as obviously a late gloss with no merit (Glenn Barker, Vol. 12, 1981, p. 353).
Peakes Commentary on the Bible is very incisive in its comments as well: The famous interpolation after three witnesses is not printed in RSV and rightly [so] . . . No respectable Greek [manuscript] contains it
"Him who said to him, "You are my son TODAY I have become your Father" it is in Hebrews 3 times FIND IT
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 06:34 AM)
David never said who his Lord was. Youve never heard of the Middle ages have you fool? Lord was a RANK and Title. The text called Matt DOES NOT SAY THE ANGEL CALLED JESUS FROM THE TOMB BECAUSE THE TOMB WAS EMPTY BEFORE HE ROLLED IT AWAY. Again, the gospels contradict eacother on how many or what exactly was there, angels, men, or no one.
So I guess David had a lord then? No he didn't. The Hebrew for Lord in Psalms 110:1 is Yahweh, the self existing one. The other "lord" you're using is the same as ba'al, which means lord or master. The one david mentions is the name of the almighty God. So don't confuse the two
Again, How come you twist the scriptures like that?! I never said Matthew said the the tomb was empty
Before
the angel came. I said the Angel came,rolled away the stone, raised Jesus by the power of God, and Jesus left the tomb. Which is why it was empty when the women came some time
Later
.
It reads in the King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The words in italics are simply not a part of the generally accepted New Testament manuscripts. Regrettably, in this particular passage some other versions read essentially the same.
I'm use the Geneva 1599 bible, which was made and written similar to the KJV but on the more common people level so it use more simple words than the king James. Interestingly, the Geneva bible uses italics too like the King James that verse is Not in the italics.
In the New Revised Standard Version, 1 John 5:7-8 correctly and more concisely reads, There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree. John personifies the three elements here as providing testimony, just as Solomon personified wisdom in the book of Proverbs.
Different bible scholars say different things. And there are skeptical scholars out there accept an erroneous view of scripture texts and so, read the different greek and hebrew manuscripts differently. That you found one in the revised standard version is of little surprised to me. I never use that version anyway. That's one thing I learned from my course in psychology and philosophy classes is that there's never a common consenus among scholars, biblical or secular, about the way ancient manuscripts should be understood. But based on the fact that Both the KJV, NKJ, and the Geneva 1599 all do Not say the Blood and Water, and both keep in consistency with other texts of Jesus. SO I would very much deny the RSV in favor of the others.
Everyone doesn't know that 1 John 5 is a forgery. Only skeptical scholars who I don't give any credence to anyway would agree with you.
Sense you have been using foul language and other slangs, I can assume you're not a christian and that to waste anymore time on a confirmed unbeliever like you would be like, as Jesus said, casting pearls to swine. It would be a waste to talk to you anymore. Good bye.
"Him who said to him, "You are my son TODAY I have become your Father" it is in Hebrews 3 times FIND IT
Wrong. Hebrews 1:5 explain what verse 4 means. You see, the Apostle Paul knew a critic like you would have a field day with verse 4 so he followed up with verse 5 which explains that this begotten in this text is talking about Christ being born in humanity as a man. Yes. The Father is talking about the time when He would send the Son down as a small babe in Mary's womb. -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:21 PM)
I said the Angel came,rolled away the stone, raised Jesus by the power of God, and Jesus left the tomb. Which is why it was empty when the women came some time Later.
YES YoU DID ADD TO IT! "The angel came, raised jesus, left, and came back before the women came" is adding beep that is not there! Oh Im going to come and leave and come back, how stupid is that! I never read that in the Bible!
Name one stupid spot where someone says "An Angel raised Jesus from the dead" because THERE ISNT ONE!
unbeliever like you
Nice FALSE assumptions, Im just sick of ignorant mother f*kers like you destroying the Biblical truth of ONE GOD not THREE IN ONE!
1 John 5:7 ORIGINALLY NEVER MENTIONED THE TRINITY! It was forged in by later scribes this is proven BY MANUSCRIPT EVIDENCE so your desperate attempt at holding on to your PAGAN FILTH is in vain!
PAUL DIDNT KNOW OF A VIRGIN BIRTH BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN! Romans one "Concerning his son who by the flesh was FROM THE SPERM OF DAVID"
The greek term is SPERMA which means our modern SPERM. Who makes sperm, women? HELL NO! MEN DO! He was born EXACTLY like the rest of us!
Think about this. If he is God or Divine WHY DIDNT HE DO MIRACLES BEFORE HIS BAPTISM HUH!? ANSWER THAT! Because he DID NOT HAVE THAT POWER UNTIL HIS BAPTISM WHEN THE SPIRIT WAS GIVEN TO HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:48 PM)
- I never said the angel left. I said Jesus left the tomb after His resurrection. The angel stayed at the tomb, waiting on the women to arrive so He could tell them the good news that Jesus had been risen.