Jesus is not god
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 01:43 AM)
1 John 5:7 in Modern manuscripts from the 16th century have those words FORGED! But alas youre yet anothe Christian NITWIT WHO IGNORES THE FOOTNOTES THAT SAYS ITS FORGED. FORGED = FAKE if you didnt know the original does not say that. But go back to being a stupid F word. There is no beep trinity and NEVER HAS BEEN. Hebrews says he was ADOPTED
An angel DID NOT RAISE HIM dumb beep It says an Angel merely showed the women the tomb was empty learn how to read. Well it depends what you read since the resurecction contradicts eachother in EVERY gospel; 1 Angel in Matt rolled the stone, a Young man in mark BUT the stone was already rolled away before the women got there, 2 men in white Luke, No angel mentioned in John.
There is ZERO record of jesus before his birth. There are a hundred verses that say Jesus IS NOT God, I listed 10 of them. I cant help it that youre Ignorant. Saying Jesus isnt God is not blasphemy. Saying he is God is blasphemy. Now beep off, I hate you LIAR
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 10, 2016 10:57 AM)
An angel DID NOT RAISE HIM dumb beep It says an Angel merely showed the women the tomb was empty learn how to read. Well it depends what you read since the resurecction contradicts eachother in EVERY gospel; 1 Angel in Matt rolled the stone, a Young man in mark BUT the stone was already rolled away before the women got there, 2 men in white Luke, No angel mentioned in John.
What did David mean then, when he said,"The Lord said to my Lord, sit thou at my right hand till I make thy enemies my foot stool?" This text can only be true if it is understood in the light of God(the Heavenly Father)is talking to God, Christ,(the Son of God). Otherwise, you will have to say that David is lying along with Matthew and John. You said John was lying before in John 1 and now you're hinting that Matthew is lying by saying an angel came from heaven and called Jesus from the tomb.
All the gospels talk of the resurrection. But only one goes into detail about how the angel came down. All the gospels mentioned how the angel talked to the women at the tomb but Matthew is the only one that goes further back and says what happen
Prior
to the women coming to the tomb. 1 angel rode away the stone true. But what happened was that after the angel rolled away the stone, in the power of the heavenly Father, he called Jesus from death. Therefore, when the women came back to the tomb, the stone was rolled away because Jesus had already risen. The gospels themselves say this. John says Mary saw two angels sitting in the tomb. Matthew says just an angel. Luke 24:4 says the women came to the tomb and saw two men in shining clothes. Mark says young man in white clothes.
To me, all these gospels come together like a puzzle. Each gospel included one detail while another included anther detail. From looking at the whole picture,
one
angel came down from heaven with the command from God to raise Jesus from the grave. This is the angel Matthew refers too. Mark only mentions this one angel and he refers to him as a young man dressed in white. (If you recall, angels have appeared numerous times to people throughout the bible in
form
of men. Read the story of Samson, of Gideon, of how the two angels visited Lot, Abraham's nephew, in the form of men at
Sodom and Gomorrah
.)
Luke sheds a little more light onto the puzzle by saying that it was two men in shinning clothes(angels), sitting at the tomb. So what we now see is that Matthew and Mark mentioned
Only
the angel who came down
directly
from heaven. Luke lets us know that the first angel that came down from heaven was met by a
second
angel who was apparently watching over the tomb, waiting for the moment of resurrection. Therefore, Luke tells us there were two shinning men, angels, sitting at the tomb.
One
angel was the one who came down from heaven with the power of God to resurrect Jesus while the
second
angel was already waiting near the tomb when the
first
angel coming from heaven arrived. Luke mentions both of these angels while Mark and Matthew only mentions one. John adds the details with Luke and says that there were two angels in white sitting at the tomb. Luke says two men in shining clothes. See, when read correctly, all the gospels come together as a nice puzzle.
In summary, while the first angel from heaven came and resurrected Jesus(by God's power), the second angel joined him and together they waited for the women to come. The women came
after
the resurrection had already occurred. This is why the angels left the women with instructions that Jesus was alive and that He would go ahead of them to Galilee. This is why Luke and John says that both angels met the women at the tomb. Matthew and Marks mentions this too but they did not mention the second angel, only first one who came from heaven.
And what happened was that God sent His angel to raise Jesus from the tomb. Hebrews 13 said it. Matthew said it. And many other texts of the new testament and old says it too. Here's one final text for you. Hosea 6:2 says "After two days will He revive us, and in the third day, He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight."
This text in Hosea was a prophecy that was fulfilled at Jesus resurrection. After being three days in the tomb, on the third day that Sunday morning, the angel came and called Jesus from the grave. The us used in Hosea is talking about humanity, since, Christ took us into Himself, died, and rose again. Ephesians 2:5-6 explains this.
There is ZERO record of jesus before his birth. There are a hundred verses that say Jesus is God, I listed 10 of them. I cant help it that youre Ignorant. Saying Jesus isnt God is not blasphemy. Saying he is God is blasphemy. Now beep off, I hate you LIAR
Not true. Matthew and Luke both list Jesus's origin of birth, from Joseph and Mary side of the family. And there's all the prophets of the old testament.
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AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 01:12 AM)
David never said who his Lord was. Youve never heard of the Middle ages have you fool? Lord was a RANK and Title. The text called Matt DOES NOT SAY THE ANGEL CALLED JESUS FROM THE TOMB BECAUSE THE TOMB WAS EMPTY BEFORE HE ROLLED IT AWAY. Again, the gospels contradict eacother on how many or what exactly was there, angels, men, or no one.
NO not all of the gospels say an angel was there liar i explained it above! All the gospels give different numbers for EVERYTHING. Angels, men, how many women went, what time, guards or no guards, joseph arimethea alone or with another, how many strips of linen cloth etc.
LIAR I EXPLAINED THIS ABOVE! JOHN SAYS MARY WENT ALONE AND NEVER MENTIONS AN ANGEL! Get your facts straight lazy ass. AND YOU ARE A LIAR MAKING EXCUSES FOR CONTRADICTIONS! LUKE NEVER SAID ONE CAME AND MET ANOTHER HE SAID THER WERE ALWAYS TWO!!!
"Hosea 6:2 says "After two days will He revive us, and in the third day, He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight."
This text in Hosea was a prophecy that was fulfilled at Jesus resurrection. "
YOU LYING SACK OF beep IT SAYS US NOT HIM AND IT WAS NOT ABOUT JESUS READ THE WHOLE CHAPTER YOU LYING SACK OF beep
THE CHAPTER WAS ABOUT ISRAELS PAIN FROM WAR AND LOSSES NOT ABOUT JESUS YOU RETARD! YOU CHERRY PICKING ASS WIPE!!!
NO LUKE AND MATT SAID ONLY JOSEPH SIDE!!!!!!!!! NO ONE KNEW MARYS GENEALOGY BECAUSE JEWS WENT THROUGH THE MALE SIDE ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"1 John 5:7 in Modern manuscripts from the 16th century have those words FORGED! But alas youre yet anothe Christian NITWIT WHO IGNORES THE FOOTNOTES THAT SAYS ITS FORGED. FORGED = FAKE if you didnt know the original does not say that. But go back to being a stupid F word. There is no beep trinity and NEVER HAS BEEN. Hebrews says he was adopted"
READ WHAT I SAID EVERYONE KNOWS 1 John 5:7 is a FORGERY except your dumb ass
Some Bible translators of past centuries were so zealous to find support for their belief in the Trinity in the Scriptures that they literally added it. A case in point is 1 John 5:7-8.
It reads in the King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The words in italics are simply not a part of the generally accepted New Testament manuscripts. Regrettably, in this particular passage some other versions read essentially the same.
Most Bible commentaries that mention this addition tell us that it is a spurious comment added to the biblical text. Consider the words of The New Bible Commentary: Revised: Notice that AV [the Authorized Version] includes additional material at this point. But the words are clearly a gloss [an added note] and are rightly excluded by RSV [the Revised Standard Version] even from its margins (1970, p. 1269).
In the New Revised Standard Version, 1 John 5:7-8 correctly and more concisely reads, There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree. John personifies the three elements here as providing testimony, just as Solomon personified wisdom in the book of Proverbs.
Many other more recent Bible versions likewise recognize the spurious added text and omit it, including the New International Version, American Standard Version and New American Standard Bible, English Standard Version, New English Bible and Revised English Bible, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible and New Jerusalem Bible, Good News Bible, New Living Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Bible in Basic English and the Twentieth Century New Testament.
The textual evidence is against 1 John 5:7, explains Dr. Neil Lightfoot, a New Testament professor. Of all the Greek manuscripts, only two contain it. These two manuscripts are of very late dates, one from the fourteenth or fifteenth century and the other from the sixteenth century. Two other manuscripts have this verse written in the margin. All four manuscripts show that this verse was apparently translated from a late form of the Latin Vulgate ( How We Got the Bible, 2003, pp. 100-101).
The Expositors Bible Commentary also dismisses the King James and New King James Versions additions in 1 John 5:7-8 as obviously a late gloss with no merit (Glenn Barker, Vol. 12, 1981, p. 353).
Peakes Commentary on the Bible is very incisive in its comments as well: The famous interpolation after three witnesses is not printed in RSV and rightly [so] . . . No respectable Greek [manuscript] contains it
"Him who said to him, "You are my son TODAY I have become your Father" it is in Hebrews 3 times FIND IT
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 06:34 AM)
David never said who his Lord was. Youve never heard of the Middle ages have you fool? Lord was a RANK and Title. The text called Matt DOES NOT SAY THE ANGEL CALLED JESUS FROM THE TOMB BECAUSE THE TOMB WAS EMPTY BEFORE HE ROLLED IT AWAY. Again, the gospels contradict eacother on how many or what exactly was there, angels, men, or no one.
So I guess David had a lord then? No he didn't. The Hebrew for Lord in Psalms 110:1 is Yahweh, the self existing one. The other "lord" you're using is the same as ba'al, which means lord or master. The one david mentions is the name of the almighty God. So don't confuse the two
Again, How come you twist the scriptures like that?! I never said Matthew said the the tomb was empty
Before
the angel came. I said the Angel came,rolled away the stone, raised Jesus by the power of God, and Jesus left the tomb. Which is why it was empty when the women came some time
Later
.
It reads in the King James Version, also known as the Authorized Version: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. The words in italics are simply not a part of the generally accepted New Testament manuscripts. Regrettably, in this particular passage some other versions read essentially the same.
I'm use the Geneva 1599 bible, which was made and written similar to the KJV but on the more common people level so it use more simple words than the king James. Interestingly, the Geneva bible uses italics too like the King James that verse is Not in the italics.
In the New Revised Standard Version, 1 John 5:7-8 correctly and more concisely reads, There are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree. John personifies the three elements here as providing testimony, just as Solomon personified wisdom in the book of Proverbs.
Different bible scholars say different things. And there are skeptical scholars out there accept an erroneous view of scripture texts and so, read the different greek and hebrew manuscripts differently. That you found one in the revised standard version is of little surprised to me. I never use that version anyway. That's one thing I learned from my course in psychology and philosophy classes is that there's never a common consenus among scholars, biblical or secular, about the way ancient manuscripts should be understood. But based on the fact that Both the KJV, NKJ, and the Geneva 1599 all do Not say the Blood and Water, and both keep in consistency with other texts of Jesus. SO I would very much deny the RSV in favor of the others.
Everyone doesn't know that 1 John 5 is a forgery. Only skeptical scholars who I don't give any credence to anyway would agree with you.
Sense you have been using foul language and other slangs, I can assume you're not a christian and that to waste anymore time on a confirmed unbeliever like you would be like, as Jesus said, casting pearls to swine. It would be a waste to talk to you anymore. Good bye.
"Him who said to him, "You are my son TODAY I have become your Father" it is in Hebrews 3 times FIND IT
Wrong. Hebrews 1:5 explain what verse 4 means. You see, the Apostle Paul knew a critic like you would have a field day with verse 4 so he followed up with verse 5 which explains that this begotten in this text is talking about Christ being born in humanity as a man. Yes. The Father is talking about the time when He would send the Son down as a small babe in Mary's womb. -
AngryNegroMan — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:21 PM)
I said the Angel came,rolled away the stone, raised Jesus by the power of God, and Jesus left the tomb. Which is why it was empty when the women came some time Later.
YES YoU DID ADD TO IT! "The angel came, raised jesus, left, and came back before the women came" is adding beep that is not there! Oh Im going to come and leave and come back, how stupid is that! I never read that in the Bible!
Name one stupid spot where someone says "An Angel raised Jesus from the dead" because THERE ISNT ONE!
unbeliever like you
Nice FALSE assumptions, Im just sick of ignorant mother f*kers like you destroying the Biblical truth of ONE GOD not THREE IN ONE!
1 John 5:7 ORIGINALLY NEVER MENTIONED THE TRINITY! It was forged in by later scribes this is proven BY MANUSCRIPT EVIDENCE so your desperate attempt at holding on to your PAGAN FILTH is in vain!
PAUL DIDNT KNOW OF A VIRGIN BIRTH BECAUSE IT DID NOT HAPPEN! Romans one "Concerning his son who by the flesh was FROM THE SPERM OF DAVID"
The greek term is SPERMA which means our modern SPERM. Who makes sperm, women? HELL NO! MEN DO! He was born EXACTLY like the rest of us!
Think about this. If he is God or Divine WHY DIDNT HE DO MIRACLES BEFORE HIS BAPTISM HUH!? ANSWER THAT! Because he DID NOT HAVE THAT POWER UNTIL HIS BAPTISM WHEN THE SPIRIT WAS GIVEN TO HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 04:48 PM)
- I never said the angel left. I said Jesus left the tomb after His resurrection. The angel stayed at the tomb, waiting on the women to arrive so He could tell them the good news that Jesus had been risen.
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 12, 2016 05:45 PM)
Name one stupid spot where someone says "An Angel raised Jesus from the dead" because THERE ISNT ONE!
Hebrews 13 says God raised Jesus. Matthew says a powerful angel came from heaven and Opened the tomb. Its obvious what happened; the Angel came down with the command from God to raise Jesus up from death.
Think about this. If he is God or Divine WHY DIDNT HE DO MIRACLES BEFORE HIS BAPTISM HUH!? ANSWER THAT! Because he DID NOT HAVE THAT POWER UNTIL HIS BAPTISM WHEN THE SPIRIT WAS GIVEN TO HIM. Why? BECAUSE HE WAS NOT GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He was waiting for God the Father to give His approval when He should began His ministry of teaching and healing. As Jesus said, "The Son can do
Nothing
of Himself but what He sees the Father doeth." John 5. In John 14:10 Jesus says "the Father that dwelth in Me, He doeth the work".
This means one thing. When Jesus came to earth, in order for him to become/"made like unto His brethren"(Heb.4), He gave up the
Independent use
of His power as the Son of God. This means that He
never
,
ever
, used His own power as the Son of God. Like a man, He submitted Himself totally to the will of the Heavenly Father and never did Anything, from His birth til His death, that strayed from that path.
Which is why He said in Matt. 26:42, "If it is possible, let this cup pass from me. Never the lest, let not my will but Yours be done." Jesus was that submissive to the will of God.
But you're going to say "that's a lie because all the gospels show Jesus using His power". And yes, you would be right. In a sense. I said Jesus gave up the
Independent
use of His power. Meaning that for the whole time He worked miracles on earth as a man, Jesus was working those Miracles Only when the heavenly Father told Him to. Which is why He said in John 5:30 "I can do Nothing of Myselfbecause I seek Not my own will but the will of the Father which sent me."
John 3:3-4 tells us how Jesus mother tried to get Him to work a miracle at the wedding feast. When she tried to get Jesus make more wine, Jesus had to let her know two important facts and I know Catholics would hate me for saying this:- Mary couldn't direct or order Him to work a miracle. Like He said in John 5:30, He could do "Nothing of Himself." The God the Father only had that power to direct Jesus as to when a miracle could be wrought.
- God's time, Jesus time, had not yet come. Meaning, God the Father hadn't given Jesus the
Okay
yet to work that miracle. Jesus was always in constant communion with the Father and He was not about to go outside God's will and work a miracle.
But a little afterwards, apparently, Jesus did get consent from God as He later directed the servants to fill the jars with water and He turned the water to wine.
Therefore, for 30 years, He remained at home. But on the day He turned 30, which was the year a healthy Jewish male usually married and began his life, Jesus came to the Jordan to be baptized. And that was when God officially set His seal on Jesus's mission when He said "You are My Beloved Son, In Whole I Am well pleased."
Luke 3:21-22 describes this beautiful scene in detail for us. Luke says that after Jesus came up out of the water He bowed in prayer. And when He was praying, heaven opened, the Holy Spirit(the third person of the GodHead)took the form of a dove and rested on Jesus. And then the voice of God the Father spoke.
So you see, it was only at His baptism, that God confirmed Jesus in His work and it was only after the baptism, that He began His ministry of teaching and healing.
Jesus's baptism was Jesus's confirmation ceremony for Him to began His work. The ceremony was attended by all three members of Divinity. The Heavenly Father, who spoke from heaven to confirm Jesus's identity with Deity, and the Word(the Son of God, Jesus Himself), and the Holy Spirit, who took the form form of a Dove and rested on Jesus.
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David12222 — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 06:31 AM)
GOD CANT DIE! JESUS DIED! IF HES GOD AND HE DIED WHO THE beep RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD IF GOD DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have you ever heard that God is Three persons? The Heavenly Father, the Word(Christ)and the Holy Spirit. And these three are One. Meaning, all three are united in purpose, in their love for creation, and united in the work of saving men. These Three are one; therefore God is called one Lord. Read 1 John 5:7.
You're right. God in divinity can't die. But Christ, the Word, the Son of God, took on Himself humanity and Hebrews 2:17 said, "For it behooved Him to be made like unto His brotheren." And Hebrew's 4:14-15 said that He was touched with all our infirmities, like us, and was tempted to sin in all points like us. The only difference was that He Never sinned. That's why the following verse 16 says He is worthy to stand as our High Priest, because in Christ's humanity, He felt all the trials and struggles we go through.
IF HES GOD AND HE DIED WHO THE beep RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD IF GOD DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was an angel, acting on the word and power of the Heavenly Father, that called Jesus from the tomb. Matthew 28:2-4 says a powerful Angel came from heaven,who's face was like lightening, came and rolled away the tomb. And that Roman guard around the tomb was so terrified at the sight of him that they lost all courage and collapsed like dead men. In Hebrews 13:20, the writer(whom I personally believe is Paul, based on the style of writing)says, that God brought Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, from the dead.
Look, the whole bible speaks of Jesus, from the back to the front. And no way is there any place in the bible that Outright states Jesus is not God. That's blasphemy.
