I just started watching the first season and I'm a little bothered by the way social anxiety is portrayed. I know it's n
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little01 — 9 years ago(November 26, 2016 02:47 PM)
He does have social anxiety but doesn't have agoraphobia. He can still be in public spaces. He doesn't interact much with his coworkers. And even has trouble interacting with Angela. He talks to people but definitely doesn't make lasting social relationships and interactions and avoids situations where he has to make small talk. He has a girl in his bed but he still has needs. She wasn't a stranger. As you learn he does get to know her and she means a little more to him than a one night stand. And as another poster said depression isn't so black and white as well. Being slightly introverted myself (maybe not to social anxiety level) but I believe he still sometimes craves the interaction, but just has trouble with it. And other times he has no interest if he thinks it is meaningless.
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ShannonTriumphant — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 09:51 AM)
I agree that his "social anxiety" isn't that well-portrayed, especially because it seems to come and go, depending on the scene. Granted, someone who has that doesn't have a constant flow of it or they would be catatonic! But he swings too wildly between not dealing with people at all to not minding this at all. It's not realistic.
I do agree with the person who said that agoraphobia is not a necessary component of social anxiety (and vice versa). The thing that bugs me are his hallucinations (not just the ones with Mr. Robot) and how complete they are. I agree that if we are to accept that these are really happening than he would be diagnosed as psychotic.
It seems like writers now feel they MUST make their heroes hallucinate (consider the later seasons of "House"!) in order to be trendy. I could really do without them. You, as a viewer, end up asking, "Is this real?" constantly.
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ShannonTriumphant — 9 years ago(December 16, 2016 09:29 AM)
I like what Darlene (I think) says about having panic disorder: it's more abnormal
not
to have it (in this day). It tracks with the various quirks and psychological problems that so many heroes on TV and film have. It is part of a larger distrust, especially of society and our government. It was first pointed out by "The X-files" (Trust No One) and even referred to by Santiago: "This is not 'Burn Notice'"! Re that show, the hero, Michael Westen, is a burned spy whose motives for joining the CIA came from an abusive father and generally dysfunctional family life. He also deals routinely with rogue groups inside the government who are corrupt. It was as if Santiago was really saying, "Yes, this
is
'Burn Notice', but don't expect an ending like the one they got."
Elliot's psychological problems are not that unusual, either on TV or IRL. This show is great because it also reads like a sequel to Freud's
Civilization and its Discontents
or the works of Karl Marx. For Freud, the conflict is between the individual's sense of identity and individualism, which clashes with society's need for conformity. For Marx, it's about how our society is corrupted and destroyed by capitalism and corporate greed.
I also don't think it's coincidental that Santiago shares the name of Hemingway's tragic hero in
The Old Man and the Sea
. The big question is: who are the sharks in Mr. Robot, who will destroy the marlin, the prize? And if seen through the eyes of fsociety, they are not the ones who should be pursued, who are evil; it's E. corp and the other overlords.
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ShannonTriumphant — 9 years ago(December 17, 2016 08:18 AM)
Excellent analysis! The parts I find difficult to digest (not that I am saying they don't happen) are the vivid hallucinations, esp. of his father and Tyrell. Is Elliot really seeing them as vividly as we do? As for the ability to "switch off" during traumas, would you say that this is like the descriptions given by abuse victims, who "pretend" they are somewhere else?
I think Elliot
is
somewhat suicidal, but in a more passive way (like all of his reactions to past and present trauma). He is like an alcoholic who drinks enough to kill himself because he doesn't care if he lives or dies, at least sometimes. Same thing with the morphine and Adderall. His reaction to an abusive childhood is more characteristic of females, who are conditioned by culture (ours anyway) not to be violent, but rather, to turn the abuse on themselves (along with anorexia, bulimia and cutting).
Conversely, Darlene acts out her hostility toward others, such as killing the E Corp. exec and hitting her boyfriend with a bat. Her m.o. is more "masculine" in that it's externalized. I don't see Darlene as suicidal at all but Elliot is right on the edge of it, I think. Darlene seems more depressed than Elliot, though she says she has panic disorder. That's rarely shown, which I'm glad ofit's done too often in shows nowadays, such as 'Breaking Bad".
It's an interesting twist in the usual way that males and females who have been abused are portrayed. It's sad that they are both so troubled, but it's refreshing that they don't have them conform to the usual stereotypes for abused children.
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Tanie — 9 years ago(December 18, 2016 10:26 AM)
is the dignosis that's wrong
I agree.
social anxiety is basicly shyness
Hum no. I have to disagree.
Shyness is a personality trait. Social anxiety is a condition with specific symptoms. One of the criteria in the DSM is that it "interferes significantly with the person's normal routine, occupational (academic) functioning, or social activities or relationships, or there is marked distress about having the phobia". It is not random shyness, it stops you from having a normal life and Elliot does not have social anxiety. His social awkwardness is rather a psychotic manifestation, which fits with his amnesia and hallucinations. -
k_who — 9 years ago(December 25, 2016 06:17 PM)
Like the others on this thread said - this show isn't about you and your specific situation.
The portrayal of social anxiety on this show is actually very good. It takes many forms and shapes and manifests itself differently from person to person.
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Tanie — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 03:55 AM)
God! How is it about me when there are studies and a DSM which is the Bible of psychiatrists? Social anxiety takes many forms with certain limits! Otherwise why bother with diagnosis
I am not taking my own situation as an example. As a matter of fact, I have not described my own situation at all.
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WalterWheyt — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 05:13 PM)
Im suffering depression and social anxiety at times too.
I believe it is presented very well.
I was woking in offices too, i have good friends, i had girlfriends.
Depression and social anxiety are not dominant every day all day long.
I even had times in the last few years in which i felt very good and met people.
And i also keep contact with friends i know for many years.
There are people i can get along with very well, even if i dont know them very well. These are mostly people that feel soehow special or very unique. With some strangers, you can talk for a long time and have a good time. It sjust that this rarely happens and doenst repeat itself very often.
Its hard to keep contact with new people.
Depression is also not that 1 dimensional. AS i said, there are periods in which i am outgoing, happy and active.
Depression hits often spontaniously when you dont expect it. It can stay for days, weeks or month. sometimes just hours of sudden sadness.
People with these issues can also seem to be perfectly fine to other people. In a medium like film, its difficult to show what exactly is going on inside the person, because from the outside the person seems fine.
I would say the daily life can be a real struggle. It very often is. And i think that is, for me, the hardest part about it.
It is at times a struggle to even just get out of the bed thinking about work/studying or going into the public. It often feels like carrying alot of weight that slows eversthing down, that makes evers step tougher than it should be. Concentrating is tough if you drift away into overwhelming thoughts. A flood of thoughts that can come in many shapes and forms. In the form of ideas, dreams, hopes, fears. it can be creative or destructive. But it usually isnt focused.
Sometimes you feel alienated, like a silent observer. Like walking 1 step behind yourself. Sometimes it as if noone around you notices you.
It can go as far as giving you physical pain.
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Joeyjag_97 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 08:32 AM)
I have to agree with you here, the social anxiety "theme" that surrounds Elliot in S1 seems to have completely died off in the second season and I'm kind of glad it has because it was giving a false portrayal of SAD. It is definitely more physcosis and not social anxiety, the symptoms he is getting will tell you that (even though some of them are the same), SAD doesn't give you hallucinations and/or serious disillusions which is exactly what he is experiencing. He also seems to be just fine speaking in a meeting and talking to total strangers on the street, a person with social anxiety disorder would never do these things let alone lead a f-cking group of hackers to take down a giant corporation.
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jamese777 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 08:26 PM)
Here's a very short list of some famous people who do/did their job in front of tens of thousands of people.
https://www.verywell.com/which-celebrities-suffer-with-social-anxiety-3024283 -
jamese777 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 08:47 PM)
Here's a very short list of some famous people who do/did their job in front of tens of thousands of people.
https://www.verywell.com/which-celebrities-suffer-with-social-anxiety-3024283 -
henrik-roschmann — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 03:17 AM)
Don't forget that he is a morphine addict.
Morphine will have a similar effect than most antidepressant or antipsychotic pills.
This will make his life easier and enable him to interact with people on a minimal level.