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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Deutschland 83
The_Ranting_Recluse — 10 years ago(August 05, 2015 09:14 PM)
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So, at the end at the General's house, who killed themself, the General or his son?
When the General First got home, I kept expecting him to find his son dead (hanging, etc.)
Then, at the end I was 90% sure the gunshot we heard was the general shooting himself in the backyard, but the more I thought about it, the way the son came home, knowing he was going to die of AIDS and then taking a lingering look at his father's briefcase (where he presumably may have kept a gun), I also thought it was possible he could have shot himself, too.
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GreenEyedGirlie — 10 years ago(August 05, 2015 09:34 PM)
I thought it was the General too initially, but after I thought about it, it could have been the son. He looked so defeated as the nurse was drawing his blood and explaining the symptoms, etc. So it could have been him too, but he also had a look about him like he'd infect someone on purpose. Do we really know for sure if Martins handler really had AIDS or maybe he just said that to get rid of the son?
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Madmax56 — 10 years ago(August 05, 2015 09:38 PM)
Its left really ambiguous, but I don't think it would be the general because it seems very out of character for him.
As for Alex shooting his father, I'm not sure why he would do that. If anything, I think Alex would feel betrayed by Tischbier for infecting him with AIDS in the first place. -
rushfan03 — 10 years ago(August 05, 2015 10:39 PM)
Actually if you saw that his wife left him, he went over to the window, why, I'm thinking because he remembered simpler times when Alex, Yvonne, and Ursula were there. With Alex being defiant, Yvonne out in left field going to some convent and then out on tour, Ursula gone, and then adding to it the fact that Kramer was killed with no reasoning why, then Stamm/Rauch being a turncoat he had nothing left, because more than likely, it would have been a matter of time before he was placed on trial himself for possible espionage, because let's not forget that Alex went into the East German HVA, and we really don't know what he gave up.
Sure, it could have been Alex, but I believe that Alex would be better suited alive, as he may be able to bring down Tischbier.
My question is this, though. Lenora went to Mozambique with her lover, was her time with HVA done?
And why would the benefit from going to 1986? I find that to be a little silly if you ask me. -
Madmax56 — 10 years ago(August 05, 2015 11:17 PM)
I don't know again not my words
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/deutschland-83-sundancetv-german-language-drama-1201522499/
Joerg Winger said he hopes the series will run three seasons, with season two jumping ahead to 1986 and season three tackling 1989, the year that set off monumental changes for Eastern Europe. -
prdarin — 10 years ago(August 13, 2015 06:51 PM)
"Mozambique was a socialist country allied with the Soviet Union and the GDR. I can't see her going there on anything other than official business."
I think she was escaping the war they all thought was imminent. No matter what, eventually it would have gone nuclear and global. Germany would become a wasteland, along with much of Europe and North America, as well as significant parts of Asia. Fallout would be pretty much everywhere, and let's not forget nuclear winter.
I'm not sure to what extent Africa would have been involved in global nuclear exchanges, but along with South America and Oceania it would have been hit significantly less (if much at all) than the rest of the developed world. Besides that, Mozambique is in the SouthEast part of Africaabout as geographically far away from Europe/Asia/North America you could get and still be in an allied country (like you said they were allied with the GDR/USSR/Eastern Bloc). It all would depend on prevailing winds and what not, but generally the further away you are from blasts the less likely you may be to get falloutespecially when you're all the way on the opposite side of the equator.
tl;dr: I think Lenora was being smart and trying to survive. -
Tastentier — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 03:35 AM)
The only thing Tischbier, Martin's handler, knew for sure is that he repeatedly had sex with a person who had been diagnosed with AIDS. He didn't know for sure if he was infected, or if he had passed the virus on to Alex.
Back then, all people could do was to inform their past sexual partners and wait for the first signs of AIDS to show up (such as Kaposi's sarcoma, which only occured in elderly people prior to the AIDS epidemic). The part about the HIV test was an historical anachronism, since it didn't exist in 1983. The medical community didn't even know that AIDS was caused by the HIV virus at the time. -
desepticon — 10 years ago(August 06, 2015 12:25 PM)
Right. I thought he was being tested. It's not confirmed that he has it yet, so suicide would seem premature. Not to mention it would take a while for symptoms to appear in the first place.
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Tastentier — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 03:16 AM)
It's true that AIDS killed quickly in the days before antiretrovirals, but the time between the initial HIV infection and the first AIDS symptoms can be up to 15 years if the infected person is otherwise in good health. Sadly, details like the unusually long incubation period weren't known back then, a mere two years after the discovery of the disease.
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ajhodak — 10 years ago(August 06, 2015 10:21 PM)
It was unsettling from the moment the General got out of his car, it seemed someone was or had committed suicide. The thought his wife might have done this briefly crossed my mind. Purposefully ambiguous as to who killed who / themself, added to the suspense. I'd have to lean towards the General doing it. The son knew AIDS was no picnic, and went to get himself tested. To me, that shows he still cares about himself. The General's life was crashing down both at work and home. That was a giant cliffhanger, that might never be definitively answered?
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grt2009 — 10 years ago(August 07, 2015 03:09 AM)
Well, an AIDS test did not exist in 1983 (became available in 1985), but assuming it did exist, I say it was the kid who shot himself. We've seen how impetuous he is, how he never had the support of the Army (or, by extension, his country), who suspected him all along of being a spy and whom he indeed did try and betray, how his "lover" dumped him and left him to be both exposed as gay and to die. I can see him not wanting to face either his father or the rest of his life, totally void of anything meaningful to believe in.