So that men like Edward or Tony won't be considered "weak" because they are sensitive or unwilling to have a dick fight
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englisher101 — 9 years ago(January 22, 2017 09:59 PM)
The most feminine people in this film were not Tony/Edward, but the rapists. They're the ultimate feminine types. They act impulsively on their emotional impulses like anger.
Statistically these rapists would have most likely been raised by single mothers (over 70% chance) and would have lacked a strong father figure in the household.
Edward is just a struggling writer. There was nothing in the film to suggest he was really sensitive and weak. It would have made sense if he broke down crying a lot or punched walls in anger or became an alcoholic or something the types of things that emasculating men tends to encourage. It would have made sense if he was a manipulative and passive-aggressive type of person in the relationship with insecurities and tendencies towards emotional abuse. -
tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(January 23, 2017 08:50 AM)
The most feminine people in this film were not Tony/Edward, but the rapists. They're the ultimate feminine types. They act impulsively on their emotional impulses like anger.
I can't agree with this statement - anger and the desire to rape aren't generally understood to be feminine traits. And neither is impulsiveness - especially in single mothers who can be especially resilient and courageous.
Edward is just a struggling writer. There was nothing in the film to suggest he was really sensitive and weak.
OTOH I do agree with this point. There are a number of lamebrain posters on this board - most notably FartyKat - who yammer on endlessly about Edward being "weak". They watch the scene where Susan dines with her mother, find the woman repulsive, but then parrot her opinion of Edward as if it were fact. If you're not mentally deficient, it's very obvious what Susan's mother meant by "weak" - Edward hadn't inherited sufficient wealth. -
Apollo_Kreez — 9 years ago(January 26, 2017 01:51 AM)
Yes, but couldn't you argue the fact that Tony was so incredibly weak that he couldn't even bring himself to attempt to fight for his family? I mean, after all, they did end up getting
raped and murdered.- and yes, I get that the whole novel is a visualization of Susan reading Edwards book so therefore Tony is a personification of Edward in the past, but you could argue that if Edward had fought for his relationship in a more masculine way instead of letting Susan walk all over him, that things could have been different.
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WhiteDiablo — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 04:36 AM)
On the contrary, this is why we need masculism. He should have pulled out a gun and blew all 3 away.
There will always be psychopaths in this world; man and woman. It has nothing to do with patriarchy but it sometimes does take masculine strength to deal with it.
Femininity serves a purpose; and so does masculinity. I don't mean 'man enough to show your emotions', but man enough to break someone's jaw when the situation calls for it, which is what Tony lacked. -
lindewell — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 12:33 AM)
The film is pretty anti-feminist, it shows the difference between men and women. Men are risk takers who would jeopardize their future for a greater goal while woman seek security and stability above everything.
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hlmitchell31 — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 01:02 PM)
docstar - You are a toxic, vulgar, agenda biased, neophyte who has taken way too many Women's Study classes. This is why this millennial movement will go the way of the trash heap. You project your own poisonous outlook on human beings and spew it out there in the internet world trying to persuade new followers. The agenda is clear.
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carinosamente — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 12:03 AM)
Considering it's IMDb, I'm not sure if this is satire but I completely agree with you. Edward was originally a warm and sensitive person (he reminded me of my own boyfriend), and it's really unfortunate that he felt the need to harden or to become less "weak".