I thought the ending was obvious, but apparently no one else thought so.
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DavidVilla — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 07:52 AM)
Nobody else "assumed" it because it is nonsense.
I mean, it wasn't so bad until you arrived at the paragraph asserting that Susan just turns up to a restaurant to let herself be murdered and that Edward turned up to the restaurant to do just that. Just ludicrous.
I don't know why so many people come on here with these kind of theories or ideas for alternate endings like it can't just be a little but nuanced or just what we got which isn't exactly complicated as it is. Why does it have to be either some wildly obvious thing like that other guy on here's preferred ending in a different thread being that Edward turned up to the restaurant wearing an eye-patch. And then this one. There is no implication that Bobby is some version of Edward and thus Edward himself has cancer.
Just accept the more subtle, less paint by numbers ending that we were given rather than this Hollywood idea you have of "well he turned up to shoot her dead and she knew and accepted it." -
tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 08:40 AM)
There is no implication that Bobby is some version of Edward and thus Edward himself has cancer.
There's a very clear implication - confirmed by the writer/director. I guess it flew right over your head. You simply missed it. -
DavidVilla — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:04 AM)
I've looked and found nothing other than people posing the theory. The onus isn't on me to find it either, you're the one saying he confirmed it, not me. But you're apparently refusing to actually point me towards it when it presumably wouldn't be difficult to do.
And as I recall, the only place it could really be inferred from the dialogue is the conversation in the diner, for the sole reason that it mentions a possibly family, and to me that would be pretty tenuous.
TONY
You never told me about the cancer. Do you have a family?
ANDES
The problem with Ray is his Alibi.
TONY
Stop it. Do you have anyone in your life?
ANDES
No. No wife. I have a daughter in Corpus.
TONY
Has she been a help?
ANDES
She doesnt know. What can she do about it?
Basically every other conversation between Tony and Bobby is about the case and doesn't really give a particularly solid implication of Bobby being anything other than a character in Tony's novel. I'm happy to be shown that I'm wrong though if you can ever be bothered to direct me towards this interview with Tom Ford.
RE: The original posters idea about the ending, the script goes against that idea.
Susan Morrow stares straight ahead and into the night. The expression on her face belies her realization that Edward is not coming. -
tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:41 AM)
I have better things to do than trawl through Tom Ford interviews I've already read for your benefit. It may surprise you, but I haven't archived my research on the film.
Look at the diner scene again. Bobby tells Tony he'd previously told him he had cancer. Tony says 'no', he hadn't. Bobby tells him. This is clearly a reference to denial about the disease - most likely originating with the author of the novel writing about himself - as was his wont.
Shannon himself has referred to Bobby as Tony's angel - there's clearly an otherworldly aspect to this relationship. -
SanityLapse — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 03:17 PM)
DavidVilla posted
I mean, it wasn't so bad until you arrived at the paragraph asserting that Susan just turns up to a restaurant to let herself be murdered and that Edward turned up to the restaurant to do just that. Just ludicrous.
It's ludicrous that a movie features a character who suffers from guilt and no longer cares if they live?
It's ludicrous that Edward sent a novel that mirrored their lives that ended with her being killed, and that he himself killed her at the end to complete the story?
There is no implication that Bobby is some version of Edward and thus Edward himself has cancer.
Edward most definitely is partly Bobby.
Just accept the more subtle, less paint by numbers ending that we were given rather than this Hollywood idea you have
Your interpretation of the ending isn't exactly subtle though. In fact, it's much more Hollywood than you think. While those kind of endings aren't anything new either, they've become much more Hollywood ever since No Country For Old Men won Best Picture.
I know what gold does to men's souls. -
rudykawa — 9 years ago(February 11, 2017 03:44 PM)
When did you see her looking up at the last frame? Or Edward arriving?
She is looking straight.
Did you watch a pirate version of the movie where it cuts away when she thinks he arrived but it was for another table? -
sjaskew42 — 9 years ago(February 08, 2017 11:34 AM)
You had me nodding and I was with you all the way until
to be murdered by Edward. She went to the restaurant at the end expecting to die. The very last frames of the movie show her looking up as she suddenly feels Edward's presence behind her. The credits cut right before he shoots her.
whilst possible, it's too fanciful and I don't buy it.
i'm tired of dancing here all by myself