A dish best served cold (spoilers)
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christmastiger-16003 — 9 years ago(February 10, 2017 12:24 PM)
Farshnoshket, please stop assuming that tigerfish doesn't understand something because of their own real life. This movie is NOT remotely close to real life. Maybe in an extremely broad sense that people can become unhappy with their lives or people can use loss as a form of artistic inspiration, but Tom himself said that he adapted the original source material into a melodrama "for film" so it's intentionally not realistic.
If I were Susan I'd be sadder about the state of the rest of my life than being stood up by Edward. Then again, I don't see how reading a book by an ex is supposed to make you fall back in love with them (outside of a contrived movie plot).
But tigerfish, you're not being a great sport to them either, you guys can have a discussion without making it personal. If we can't play nice they'll take the boards awayoh, wait. -
letess — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 01:13 PM)
Actually, they both will be fine. Edward, too, will have a successful book based on a doomed and painful relationship - but successful we are led to believe. Would he have had that without knowing Susan? We all should be so lucky,
Edward wanted to let her know that it was painful for him. He succeeded in his manuscript. Whether the affect really hit Susan hard isn't the question, but that it did do some awakening in her that she was now interested in him. He had the last word with the no-show and it really was enough for the end of their story. -
tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 02:23 PM)
I suspect Edward will be fine too - although he's certainly dying, and quite possibly already deceased - as are both his alter egos in the novel: Bobby of cancer, and Tony from an accidental gunshot wound.
These two deaths can't be ignored. As in life, so in art - as in art, so in life. -
letess — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 02:31 PM)
What? Edward is not dead or dying? No character is dead - just in the sub story. Maybe it felt like death to Edward and he had no say about their pregnancy - but I have no reason to believe that he's dying or that he he sent a manuscript and then died.
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tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 05:02 AM)
What? Edward is not dead or dying?
Sure - writers never use
symbolism
or
allegory
; the words have no actual meaning - just like the question mark at the end of your sentence; and your brain is wide awake.
Keep on believing all that, and you'll be just fine. -
letess — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 01:54 PM)
Yes, I will be fine too. Tony died in Edward's manuscript but Edward is alive to write the manuscript and profit from it, as well as use it to enlighten Susan and turn the screw. This guy isn't going to commit suicide either.There is nothing about Edward dying In the book or in any of Tom Ford's interviews about this story. This character is alive and masterfully played Susan. In the sub story - yes, in West Texas, he fell on his gun. In the sub story, everyone dies - his wife, daughter, all the bad guys, and Tony and eventually the cop.
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tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 02:13 PM)
Yes, I will be fine too. Tony died in Edward's manuscript but Edward is alive . . .
Glad to hear it. And Ford probably got Gyllenhaal to play both Edward and Tony because he didn't have the cash to pay a second actor, right? -
letess — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 07:03 PM)
So, if Jake didn't play Edward - maybe 15 minutes of screen time, and went with Tony character - what actor would play.Edward? And then why would Jake accept just the part of Tony. You can't split these roles with two different actors? You would lose your star power. Susan is a main player - not Isla Fisher. Edward is an invisible main player. And then there's Tony.
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tigerfish50 — 9 years ago(January 21, 2017 09:29 AM)
She is imagining Tony as Edward.
She's probably right to do so. Edward's arc in his
real
life corresponds to Tony's fictional one. Edward loses a wife and child, and succeeds as an artist by getting his work published, while Tony suffers a symbolically similar blow and becomes a man by slaying his demons. -
scion9 — 9 years ago(February 09, 2017 02:03 AM)
Yeah, she is. He's written himself into his own story and this is stated directly in the flashback. My point is that the film follows Susan for the entirety. You are shown a 3rd Person objective view of Susan in the present, flashbacks which are presented by device as her recollections in the present, and her imagined visualization of the manuscript's narrative. There is no 3rd person objective view of Edward. The Edward presented to the audience is via Susan.
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Barbie_Candice — 9 years ago(January 19, 2017 01:28 PM)
What new painting??????
Oh the revenge one in Susan's gallery?
#harshtruth
http://barbie-verified.tumblr.com/post/147223710383/