i think he was his real son. remember his reaction when he was killed? he wouldnt react like that if his employee got mu
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J-No — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 07:34 AM)
The foreshadowing was extremely obvious (e.g. "The Demogorgon got me"), and the story could have easily been told in less episodes without all the fillers. For example, the boys constantly bickering was extremely tiresome, and the obligatory love triangle between Nancy, Steve, and Jonathan really could have been taken out of the story. Introducing Will and Jonathan's dad felt forced and unnecessary. The time it took for everyone to come to some common understanding about what exactly was going on took way too long and was dragged out and slow.
And it was littered with overcooked horror movie tropes: less attractive girl becomes monster food, the classic backing-up-slowly-and-stepping-on-a-tree-branch-alerts-the-monster.
Want a review of some of the clich boxes checked? Shady government conspiracy and dealings. Bland suburban family. Over-protective mother. Couldn't-care-less father. Sister and brother don't get along with secrets told at the dinner table only to sweetly reconcile and understand each other at the end. Nerdy protagonists bullied to an inch of their lives until the hero shows up to save them. Classic jerky loud boyfriend mixed in with the wrong crowd gets the pretty girl. Awkward, creepy, misunderstood, quiet, teenaged photographer with the heart of gold.
If you need more, read my very detailed and thorough reply to the other user where I focus on far more than the Coke can example you unsuccessfully tried to latch onto. That one example, by the way, was part of a pattern of sloppy directing and editing that I outlined.
I can only imagine how seething you are reading valid commentary and criticism. Hilarious how anyone providing it is automatically a troll to you. Jealous that you don't have the ability? Or, is it that someone is making fun of your new toys?
This is far more than you deserve from me, novice. Maybe stick to, I don't know, Goosebumps? -
chrisjdel — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 04:56 PM)
The foreshadowing was extremely obvious (e.g. "The Demogorgon got me"), and the story could have easily been told in less episodes without all the fillers. For example, the boys constantly bickering was extremely tiresome, and the obligatory love triangle between Nancy, Steve, and Jonathan really could have been taken out of the story. Introducing Will and Jonathan's dad felt forced and unnecessary. The time it took for everyone to come to some common understanding about what exactly was going on took way too long and was dragged out and slow.
And it was littered with overcooked horror movie tropes: less attractive girl becomes monster food, the classic backing-up-slowly-and-stepping-on-a-tree-branch-alerts-the-monster.
Want a review of some of the clich boxes checked? Shady government conspiracy and dealings. Bland suburban family. Over-protective mother. Couldn't-care-less father. Sister and brother don't get along with secrets told at the dinner table only to sweetly reconcile and understand each other at the end. Nerdy protagonists bullied to an inch of their lives until the hero shows up to save them. Classic jerky loud boyfriend mixed in with the wrong crowd gets the pretty girl. Awkward, creepy, misunderstood, quiet, teenaged photographer with the heart of gold.
If you need more, read my very detailed and thorough reply to the other user where I focus on far more than the Coke can example you unsuccessfully tried to latch onto. That one example, by the way, was part of a pattern of sloppy directing and editing that I outlined.
I can only imagine how seething you are reading valid commentary and criticism. Hilarious how anyone providing it is automatically a troll to you. Jealous that you don't have the ability? Or, is it that someone is making fun of your new toys?
This is far more than you deserve from me, novice. Maybe stick to, I don't know, Goosebumps?
There you go with the personal attacks. There's entirely too much of that on boards in general. Shoot the messenger instead of the message. My point was simply that you could compile a list of minor goofs for every movie ever made, literally. Those multi-angle scenes that have to be filmed several times because the cameras at each position would be in each other's field of view often contain small elements that weren't set up exactly right the second time, especially when the two takes are done on separate days. And there's a scene in ST where a car stereo is playing "Sunglasses at Night", which didn't come out until early 1984. Only a few months later but still, it couldn't have been on the radio in November of 83. Things like this are not a big deal for me. I don't find them terribly distracting even when I notice them.
A lot of those clichs were thrown in there deliberately you know. I should think it was pretty obvious, but a piece of 80's cinema made in 2016 was more or less what these guys were going for. Oh there were things I would've done differently. Until the end when Steve did his unexpected U-turn I didn't find the whole love triangle thing that interesting. I would've either made Lucas a more constructive character or written him out completely. He was rowing in the opposite direction for too much of the show. Lonnie wasted more time than he should have. Jonathan's trip to his house and all that was unnecessary; if he'd just shown up for the funeral, argued with Joyce, and left, that's all we really needed him to do. And I would have spent more time with Brenner and the lab. The relationships between Mike and Eleven, and Hopper and Joyce, were more interesting than the whole Jonathan-Steve-Nancy thing, I would've focused more on them.
These are all my
own
personal thoughts though. Not everyone would agree. The point I tried to make before is, I haven't heard anyone point out a major contradiction or a plot element that has no good explanation. The story seems internally self-consistent once you accept its premises. None of its flaws are fatal ones. It seems like people either love it or hate it for some reason, and the ones who hate it are just nitpicking the hell out of it, not to mention dredging up things that are easily explained and holding them out as "mistakes". If this isn't your thing, just say you didn't like it or that you don't understand all the hype. Why do people have to try proving
their
opinion is the
right
opinion and anyone who disagrees with them must be a simple-minded idiot?
This is far more than you deserve from me, novice. Maybe stick to, I don't know, Goosebumps?
Sht like this is completely uncalled for. We can disagree on things without resorting to childish name calling. I've been nasty to a few posters, yes, the ones who do absolutely nothing but insult other users. You at least seem to try discussing things most of the time; but everyone on the board needs to tone down the verbal sparring, it fills up too many damn pages. I guarantee you, after a whole page of back-and-forth insults hardly
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italiciser — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 06:43 AM)
Kids jumping into a pool to frolic, or Barb casually running her feet through the water, in pre-winter Indiana. (Well, maybe it was heated? Not plausible enough. I don't need a map for simple point A-to-B explanations, but something like that needs clarification or I'm justified in labeling it as an oversight in production value and quality control.)
Seriously? Is the steam coming off the pool in that scene not enough justification that yes the pool is heated? My god if you have to be spoon fed and led by the hand like that in every scene I don't know how you got through the entire series. Yes in some parts the series leaves some things to the imagination but I don't understand how people can be so narrow minded to not jus think about it for a second.
Nancy decides to leave Jonathan and her only weapon (the bat) behind to crawl through the hole in the tree. The monster just brought a whole deer through the forest in front of her eyes so the best thing to do is to crawl right into what's probably its lair, knowing it's still around, with no protection and without telling her partner?
This tells me that some people really do not understand why scenes are often created not for their realistic nature but instead to push the story forward. What sort of scene would it be if Nancy sees the monster escape through a tree that to her seems to be a portal to another world, decides bringing a gun and a bat to try and hunt down an alien monster was enough, says never mind and leaves. I'd rather see a show that often sacrifices plausibility and realism for an entertaining, dramatic and engrossing piece of fiction. That scene is one of the first times we see the monster clearly. Maybe instead of being completely realistic, and realistic is a dangerous word in science fiction, it was, you know, used to benefit the plot and push the plot forward, revealing the monster and giving an extra layer and complexity to Nancy's character.
Please learn to distinguish the line between a show that acts purely true to life and a piece of fiction meant for the masses that from a production standpoint often needs to forgo reality to push forward plot lines and get on with creating an engaging and entertaining narrative. People need to make criticisms by first maybe thinking about the explanations and justifications for those questions from all perspectives. Before you ask a question like why did Nancy go to the upside down defenceless, think about the justification for that choice not based on what you solely wanted to happen but instead from a production perspective where sometimes scenes are done purely to further the plot, add layers to a character and create tension. Analyse the shows flaws not based on how it deviated from your own version of events but instead considering how these scenes were put together based on their value as cinematic devices to benefit the storyline and plot, creating a gripping narrative.
As for editing mistakes. If you're that hawk eyed that one minor editing mistake forces you to discredit the entire body of work I fail to see how you can watch anything on television and fully enjoy it. Also I understand the black room is purely a visualisation of Eleven's mind when she is asked to use her powers to spy on the Soviet soldier. And the black room scenes are not a rip off from the film Under the Skin but instead are a homage and an intertextual reference to a previous work of science fiction, like, you know, the whole series is. Whether Eleven created the monster is another debate but the earliest time the monster appears is when Eleven is using her powers to listen to a Russian spy so maybe she unwittingly brought it in from another world? -
J-No — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 06:52 AM)
Congratulations on making excuses and buying into implausibilities. I'll file you under Prime Example.
I sincerely love how you wrote all of that with so much pride without realizing how unsophisticated you come across, goobs. -
DrAndreiSmyslov — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 02:08 PM)
As for editing mistakes. If you're that hawk eyed that one minor editing mistake forces you to discredit the entire body of work I fail to see how you can watch anything on television and fully enjoy it.
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DrAndreiSmyslov — 9 years ago(September 10, 2016 02:33 PM)
Give me one thing that will make me think for a minute and say uh, yeah that's a problem. Not stupid little beep about Coke cans. Not cheap personal attacks that sidestep the question.
italiciser: @J-No, My god if you have to be spoon fed and led by the hand like that in every scene I don't know how you got through the entire series. -
uzair-36867 — 9 years ago(September 12, 2016 12:17 AM)
Thats so nitpicky, maybe because he wanted to get the Jonathon apology out of the way first before taking his time with Nancy, especially since he really offended Jonathon by taking the mick out of his brothers death, making him get arrested etc. What sort of stupid nitpicks are these to 'turn your brain off'
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chrisjdel — 9 years ago(September 14, 2016 10:55 PM)
Mike kissing Eleven made no sense. There was no love interest leading up to it (Nancy asking him privately doesn't count). Laughably forced.
Were you watching the same show I was? Mike and Eleven had a connection almost the moment they set eyes on each other. Remember that first scene where he took her to the bathroom and seemed to instinctively understand her fear of being "shut in"? Their little crush on each other was something Dustin and Lucas saw (and teased him about) pretty early on. Mike almost kissed Eleven once before, in the very first scene of episode 7 when he told her she was still pretty without the wig - but Dustin came barging in and ruined the moment. He was trying to work up the nerve a second time when they were alone at the school, and finally just made himself take the plunge. My first kiss was a lot like that actually. I thought they did a good job capturing the awkwardness of the opposite sex at that age.
Wasn't it awfully convenient that Johnathan and Nancy found a dead bleeding Deer right in the middle of the woods just to set up the monster's appearance? How many times have you just found a dead deer in the middle of the woods? And how did it even die in the first place?
I don't see how Jonathan and Nancy finding a dead deer in the woods would bother anyone. If they were canoeing and a dead fish floated by, would you ask how they just so happened to find a fish carcass in the river? Yes it's convenient that they stumbled upon the creature. On the other hand they
were
out looking for it in the area it seemed to prefer. They were lucky but not
that
lucky. If you're trying to find Jason Voorhees, quick - what location do you search?
That scene where that evil agent lady visited the kids' teacher and said they were planning some sort of tour where they wanted some science kids from his class in on it. It was obviously a ploy to catch the kids, but it didn't seem like anything was ever made out of it afterwards, meaning it was a pointless scene.
Remember the vans that started watching Mike, Lucas, and Dustin's houses shortly after that? How do you think they knew where to send them?
Nancy and Johnathan just sneaking in to the police office and grabbing their confiscated weapons back. WTF that made no sense, first off, how did that secondary policeman not notice anything, second, why wasn't the weapons locked in somewhere like policemen are SUPPOSED TO DO TO AVOID ANYONE STEALING THEM!!??
Two words: hick town.
How did Will not only manage to hide from the monster inside the upside down world for 7 days, but also manage to find stuff to eat there in order to survive? And how the hell was he able to contact Winona through those lights?
Will must have found water somewhere to last eight or nine days. He wouldn't necessarily have found food though. A week or two with nothing to eat is
extremely
unpleasant but not life threatening. We don't know for sure how Will lit up the bulbs next to the letters to spell out messages, but in the last episode when Joyce and Hopper are in the Upside Down Byers house at the same time Nancy, Steve, and Jonathan are there in our world, Joyce is able to hear her son's voice. Yet all
their
movements and voices do is cause lights to activate or blink on our side.
Adding to the latter, how did the upside down world have a passage right there under the tree?
The way the monster just appears from time to time in the walls makes no sense either. What's causing it to just suddenly appear from time to time there?
I have a theory that the gateway opened by Eleven is something like an impact fracture. Say you throw a rock through a windshield; you get a hole, surrounded by a spiderweb pattern of cracks spreading out a certain distance through the glass. The area within a few miles of the lab could be filled with dimensional fractures. You can't see them with your eyes, but the creature may be able to force them open widely enough to squeeze through. Or they're constantly shifting and occasionally open on their own. Either way the opening is there only a few minutes and gradually shrinks (heals up) until you can't see it anymore, although it never closes completely. One of the larger cracks probably passes through the Byers' property making it a "weak spot" of sorts. In this scheme of things the demogorgon could only enter our world along a fracture or through the main portal itself. But it
would
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JurorNr13 — 9 years ago(September 25, 2016 08:24 AM)
Not going to go into details, but I also found a lot of moments that are inconsistent or behaviour just doesn't make any sense. First four episodes are ok and I can give said moments a pass, but episode 5 is like a generic bad horror movie where you're just constantly asking, why a character would do the things they are doing. In other words, it's falling apart.