Why Does Everyone Act Like Elizabeth II Is Stupid?
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danloki — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 12:26 PM)
I never got the impression they thought she was dumb. More that they thought she was incapable of making good decisions on her own (because she was a princess, you know, uneducated and only good for high society parties, charity work and utilising her uterus). Elizabeth is certainly not stupid, either was Margaret.
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CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 12:34 PM)
I think it goes beyond that though. Her mother was angry and being a bitch but her statement about not trying to do what doesn't come naturally (learn) seemed genuine. And I don't think she'd say that to Margaret. It was "poor Margaret" for not getting any education.
I agree she's not stupid. I don't think the show depicts her as being stupid. But I do think the people around her tend to think she's pretty simple minded. Except Churchill.
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danloki — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 12:53 PM)
I thought the comment was something along the lines of her education being more about being a princess?
I was actually surprised she was academically uneducated because she has always come across to me as having the mind of a steel trap, and she was and still is very worldly.
I said in another thread a while back that when I was in Nairobi I became friends with a guy who was District Commander back in the day. He escorted them when they were in Kenya. He said both sisters were highly intelligent, and Margaret was the live wire. -
CheruthCutestoryII — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 01:19 PM)
I thought the comment was something along the lines of her education being more about being a princess?
She said that. But then she made a snide comment about not trying to press what doesn't come naturally to her in the same conversation. i.e. Even if she had received an education she wouldn't be able to learn very much.
I said in another thread a while back that when I was in Nairobi I became friends with a guy who was District Commander back in the day. He escorted them when they were in Kenya. He said both sisters were highly intelligent, and Margaret was the live wire.
That's awesome! And I'm not surprised to hear that.
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danloki — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 01:38 PM)
I missed the follow up line. I never would have thought of the Queen Mum as passive aggro. Maybe you;re right and she did actually think her daughter was a space cadet. How wrong. I;m not a huge fan of the royals but she is anything but.
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TheDuchessofM — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 04:48 PM)
The Queen Mother was actually lashing out from jealousy. She sees her daughter as usurping the position she had been enjoying for fifteen years.
With regards to how everyone treated the Queenby 1953, there hadn't been a female monarch for an entire generation. And gender roles were even more firmly entrenched after WW2. So Elizabeth's "debutante" education (a little French and German, some painting and embroidery, and riding) coupled with her being married and a mother, made everyone unable to
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theRetiree — 9 years ago(January 29, 2017 12:35 PM)
They devote an entire episode to this question, and if you want the answer: re-watch her interviews with Lord Salisbury and Winston Churchill and tell me she's stupid OR weak. To me the most shocking thing is how many folks around her lie to her: the whole last episode of season one regarding the full details of the law that Margaret has to comply with; "Oh, did we forgot to mention that little detail? Sorry about that." If this had been Elizabeth I instead of Elizabeth II, a whole bunch of people would have been relieved of their heads, starting with her super-annoying spoiled brat of a husband. He did his job with Charles and Anne, so why was he permitted to keep sucking up oxygen?
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SrEditor — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 10:22 AM)
one and not the other at the same time
Well, exactly, one and NOT the other.
Perhaps you were saying that she alternated between brilliant and weak? Or she was weak overall but with certain flashes of brilliance? -
Theshornwonder — 9 years ago(February 07, 2017 03:13 PM)
No, I was saying she may have been smart, but weak. Or strong, but unintelligent. She may have been bot strong and intelligent, or weak and unintelligent. But you can be one without the other. In my view she was uneducated, not unintelligent. But as I said, they aren't mutually exclusive, she could be one and not the other.
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TaRaNRoD — 5 years ago(August 27, 2020 01:34 AM)
Education cannot make a stupid person smart.
I've done tutoring in high school and college and this is mostly accurate. You can see some improvement, but you can't build a new brain.
"You're a disease, and I'm the cure!" - Marion "Cobra" Cobretti