Succession question..?
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njgill — 9 years ago(January 26, 2017 03:02 PM)
but if, for example Charlotte became Queenher husband would never be granted the title King. He'd be a prince-duke like his great grandfather.
A) Charlotte would be Queen
Regnant
, not Queen
Consort- there is a big difference;
B) How do you you know who her putative consort's ancestor might have been?
- there is a big difference;
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Theshornwonder — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 09:18 PM)
I didn't suggest Charlotte would be anything but Queen Regnant.
I don't care who his ancestors are, a Queen Regnant intoday's time in England is not going to grant a foreign king the title of King in England. He'd carry a title like Philip. If he's also King of Spain, he'd have that title too. -
raymondhng — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 01:51 AM)
Under the terms of the Act for the Marriage of Queen Mary to Philip of Spain, Philip was to enjoy Mary I's titles and honors for as long as their marriage should last. All official documents, including Acts of Parliament, were to be dated with both their names, and Parliament was to be called under the joint authority of the couple. Coins were also to show the heads of both Mary and Philip. The marriage treaty also provided that England would not be obliged to provide military support to Philip's father in any war. The Privy Council instructed that Philip and Mary should be joint signatories of royal documents, and this was enacted by an Act of Parliament, which gave him the title of king and stated that he "shall aid her Highness in the happy administration of her Graces realms and dominions." In other words, Philip was to co-reign with his wife. As the new King of England could not read English, it was ordered that a note of all matters of state should be made in Latin or Spanish.
The couple had no children. Mary died in 1558 before the union could revitalize the Roman Catholic Church in England. With her death, Philip lost his rights to the English throne (including the ancient English claims to the French throne) and ceased to be King of England, Ireland and (as claimed by them) France.
So from 25 July 1554 17 November 1558, his title was King of England de jure uxoris as Philip I.
Jure uxoris
is a Latin term that means "by right of (his) wife". Jure uxoris monarchs are not to be confused with kings consort, who were merely consorts of their wives, not co-rulers. -
raymondhng — 9 years ago(January 30, 2017 02:54 AM)
Queen Victoria wanted to make her husband Albert king consort, but the British government refused to introduce a bill allowing it, as Albert was a foreigner. She instead gave him the title of Prince Consort in 1857.
In the United Kingdom, there is no automatic right of the consort of a queen to receive any title, as with any husband of a suo jure (in her own right) peeress. Queen Elizabeth II did not create her husband Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh a Prince of the United Kingdom until 1957, five years after her accession. He has never been formally designated Prince Consort or King Consort.
Other queens regnant and their consort husbands' styles, titles, and names before marriage
Beatrix of the Netherlands:
His Royal Highness Prince Claus, Jonkheer van Amsberg
(Claus van Amsberg)
Juliana of the Netherlands:
His Royal Highness The Prince Consort of the Netherlands
(Prince Bernhard of Lippe-Biesterfeld)
Wilhelmina of the Netherlands:
His Royal Highness The Prince Consort of the Netherlands
(Prince Henry, Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin)
Margrethe II of Denmark (third cousin of Elizabeth II of the UK): His Royal Highness The Prince Consort (Henri de Laborde de Monpezat) In 2016, he gave up his official duties and renounced his title of Prince Consort and became
His Royal Highness Prince Henrik of Denmark
. His son the Crown Prince of Denmark and grandson Prince Christian have his surname Count of Monpesat added to their names.
Other morganatic marriages to female royals
Olof Daniel Westling married Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Vstergtland (who will be the next queen regnant of Sweden and is third cousin once removed of Elizabeth II of the UK). Since his marriage, Daniel has been styled as
His Royal Highness Prince Daniel, Duke of Vstergtland
. He added the surname of the Swedish Royal Family, Bernadotte, making his full legal name Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte.
Christopher Paul O'Neill (holds dual American and British citizenship) married Princess Madeleine of Sweden, Duchess of Hlsingland and Gstrikland (younger sister of Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden). O'Neill declined royal titles, royal duties, and Swedish citizenship to remain a private citizen and continue his career in finance. He is simply referred to as
Mr. Christopher O'Neill
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gingerbreadgrl81 — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 05:18 AM)
Olof Daniel Westling married Victoria, Crown Princess of Sweden, Duchess of Vstergtland (who will be the next queen regnant of Sweden and is third cousin once removed of Elizabeth II of the UK). Since his marriage, Daniel has been styled as His Royal Highness Prince Daniel, Duke of Vstergtland. He added the surname of the Swedish Royal Family, Bernadotte, making his full legal name Olof Daniel Westling Bernadotte.
If I recall correctly, there was a lot of confusion when Vicken and Daniel first became a very serious couple. Daniel had no royal title of his own so what would he become when Vicken becomes Queen? They can't have Queen Victoria and Daniel. So he was made Prince Daniel, but the public were very unsure and not at all happy. It took a long time for Victoria and Daniel to be accepted by the general Swedish public (not Victoria herself, Victoria and Daniel as a couple). I'm glad it all worked out though, because those two are as in love as anyone I've ever seen. -
raymondhng — 9 years ago(January 31, 2017 02:39 PM)
Before the current monarch, Carl XVI Gustaf, Swedish royals lost their titles and succession rights to the throne. Three out of four older sisters of the current king lost their titles and became known as Princess
given name
, Mrs.
husband's surname
with the exception of one who became Princess
given name
, Baroness
husband's surname
. The Norwegian Royal House followed this same practice. The king's uncle, Prince Bertil kept his royal title by living with his Welsh commoner partner, Lilian Craig, discreetly for decades until they married in 1976.
When Carl XVI Gustaf married Silvia Sommerlath in 1976, he discontinued the established norm that Swedish princes must marry royalty to be eligible to inherit the throne. But men, royal or not, had only twice before, in the 13th and 17th centuries, obtained new title or rank as the spouse of a Swedish princess, and even three queens regnant left no clear precedent. Margaret (reigned 13881412) was the widow of Hkon VI of Norway and Christina (reigned 16321654) was unmarried (and played by Greta Garbo in
Christina
). The most recent Ulrika Eleonora (reigned 17181720) was already married during her tenure as queen regnant: her husband, Frederick, was given the style "Royal Highness" during his tenure as consort. Ulrika Eleonora later abdicated so her consort Frederickwho was born a prince of Hesse-Kasselcould be king. In Daniel's case, the Swedes were treading on new ground.
The Swedish Royal Court announced that Westling would become "Prince Daniel" and "Duke of Vstergtland", corresponding in form to the style used by previous Swedish princes, including Victoria's younger brother Prince Carl Philip, Duke of Vrmland, i.e. Prince
Given name
Duke of
Place
.
As was further announced in May 2010, on his wedding day Westling was made a prince of Sweden and was granted the style Royal Highness, making him an official member of the Swedish Royal Family and on a par with other senior members of the Royal Family, such as Prince Carl Philip, Princess Madeleine and Princess Lilian (spouse of Prince Bertil mentioned above). My suspicion is that he will be Prince Consort (similar to the husband of Margrethe II of Denmark) when Victoria ascends the throne. -
Julie-30 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 09:24 AM)
I'm American too. I know this stuff because it's always interested me and I made a point of understanding it.
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