Prince Phillip
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!!!deleted!!! (28128673) — 9 years ago(November 07, 2016 02:11 PM)
The series didn't note that Phillip's uncle, Lord Mountbatten, had encouraged Phillip to write to his cousin Elizabeth when she was a young teenager. Mountbatten hoped for a romantic liaison because he was intent on "Mountbatten" being the name of the royal family. Elizabeth didn't have any romantic interests other than Phillip from a very young age.
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tardifisa — 9 years ago(November 08, 2016 12:11 PM)
Yes, yes quite insufferable indeed!
One would wonder why he did marry her. Of course, its a drama series; who knows what is real and what is not when it comes to the personal side of things.
I do find it difficult to watch "lilibeth" not being more assertive with him, to keep his place and shut the f up!
It was clear from day one that she was getting on the throne; the date was the only uncertainty. -
LiteraryLadyofLothlorien — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 02:52 AM)
I feel desperately sorry for him . They had a very traditional relationship and to go from being a commander in the Navy and the master of his own home to being nothing more than a companion to the Queen must have been so frustrating for such an Alpha male of a man. 'Lilibet' confesses to Churchill early on that Philip's masterful attitude and traditional maleness is something that really attracted her to him in the first place.
And for knowing she was going to be Queen - the King was only 57, as far as they were concerned they had another 20 years of just being Philip and Elizabeth Mountbatten before being the Sovereign intervened.
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Marshamae — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 08:10 AM)
I think his role in the series underlines the fact that you don't know til you know. After George VI died we see Margaret needing to be told that she could not walk behind her sister, that the order of precedence would rule their relations from now on. It's all part of the business about not having been raised with the expectation of ruling, as Charles and William have been. We see Philip struggling with the fact that he does not now walk with his wife , but behind her. Every shift in their relations was a struggle for him, and she was incredibly tough to hold her line, as Queen Victoria did not.
I like the Philip they are showing us. It confirms something I have always thought, that , coming from one if the most dysfunctional royal families in Europe , the stability and closeness of Elizabeth's family was appealing. The role of Earl Mountbatten is made to seem very self - seeking, and perhaps it was, but he was the relative from Philip's family that could advise him., all of the expectations Philip may have had, of working beside his wife, being her chief advisor, giving his name to the next King, all are dashed one after another. He kicked at the traces.
I like that they are showing her relish of his off the wall remarks. That must be true, or something would have been done about it.
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jaydall — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 09:43 AM)
Matt Smith describes how he was in a line-up where Prince William was doing the glad-handing. He felt rather uncomfortable, wondering if the prince would know who he was and that he was playing his grandfather in
The Crown
. It couldn't be avoided, however, because William's escort introduced him as 'the actor playing Prince Philip'. William grasped his hand and said: 'Legend! Absolute legend!' So the younger members of the royal family seem to have a high opinion of him. -
randommovies2002 — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 11:57 AM)
There's a piece on this topic in the RT
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-11-07/the-crown-what-was-prince-philip-really-like-as-a-young-man -
lrdcharlton — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 03:28 PM)
Every shift in their relations was a struggle for him, and she was incredibly tough to hold her line, as Queen Victoria did not.
I always viewed Victoria as being rather pathetic. She bent to her husbands will to much, and then seemingly worshiped him to the point of wanting him to be titled King. She went from being a strong-willed high-spirited girl to a dull dutiful German housewife. And the rest of her life after he died was too over the top with the eternal mourning. -
mackay254 — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 11:01 AM)
'Phil the Greek'? - That's
still
, to this day, the nomenclature those in the 'upper echelons' give to the bloke, as if he's somehow lucky for being so exalted!
Phil the Greek was
thrust
in the general direction of Liz, by Mountbatten? Well, that might be right. But, Mountbatten was not exactly beloved in 'high society' - pushy German git! So, when Phil and Liz (actually/possibly) fell in love, of course this would be construed as Mountbatten's masterplan!
Phil was quite dashing and Liz was quite a nice bit of stuff. They might have hit it off, without the supposed machinations of a third party. But, that wouldn't satisfy the vanity of the people who are
really
in the know ie. The insignificant c0ck wombles - The people who, by virtue of supposed 'real breeding' (God help us) - have their finger on the pulse.
So, two young people were married. If George VI had lived as long as his wife, Elizabeth II's reign would have started in 1997! It's not too far of a reach to think that 'Phil the Greek' was 'WTF'ing'; bent sideways; disliked the 'pawn in the game' mode which he had to adopt.
For all the ridicule he has had to face, as an unreconstructed 'alpha male' (he's come up with some blinders); for all the 'buttock clenching' inappropriateness of his racist- He's done it again - comments. I rather like the bloke.
Yeah, he's a 'Take your pick-ist'. So were my father and mother - racist, sexist, homophobic etc. - to a degree. I can forgive my parents, because they were children of their time. They bent with the wind, when confronted, but they in their turn, taught us to confront the wind.
Prince William, according to Matt Smith, proclaimed his grandfather to be 'A Legend'. For what 'Phil the Greek' has had to go through, I understand Billy's sentiments. It's obvious to me that 'Phil the Greek' has held the 'smoke and mirrors' together, with his wife. -
kf-in-georgia — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 02:44 PM)
When Prince Albert married Queen Victoria, their children bore his namethe House of Saxe-Coburg-Gothanot Victoria's line (the House of Hanover). Albert's great-great-grandson Philip had no reason to think the rules had changed and the children wouldn't take his name.
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CakesAndAle — 9 years ago(November 09, 2016 03:06 PM)
Albert's great-great-grandson Philip had no reason to think the rules had changed and the children wouldn't take his name.
I disagree. George V changed the family surname to Windsor because of anti-German backlash during ww1. While Mountbatten sounds more English than Battenburg, it doesn't sound as English as Windsor. Phillip should have suspected Parliament would insist on the name Windsor, otherwise why bring it up to Elizabeth in the first place (prior to her meeting with Churchill)? He wanted her to negotiate for it, so obviously he knew to expect Parliament would demand Windsor. -
tardifisa — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 06:18 AM)
Don't forget that the House name comes from the monarch. It wouldn't have been an issue if they did not let a woman be the monarch of the House, but they do if no male heir comes after the girl.
Keeping that in mind, why would the House change because the monarch happens to be a woman?
Maybe I'm too much of a feminist.
After checking, turns out Victoria's House changed with her son, Edward VII to the Saxe-Coburg, which is Elizabeth's. Now, it will be Windsor for a very long time, because they have changed the law on the subject and as well, before the birth of Charlotte, the government passed a law that the first born would be heir to the throne, regardless of gender.
How unlucky would they have to be with the many many heirs the Windsor House has that it would change in the next century? -
hadley1905 — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 03:49 PM)
You are right that the House name comes from the monarch. If the monarch is a woman then she does not of course change her name to that of her husband, but her children's names come from her husband, so Philip's surname of Mountbatten (or perhaps the name he was born with of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glcksburg) would be the name of the royal house of Charles III or William V.
Queen Victoria was the last Hanoverian monarch, and the House of Hanover persisted until her death in 1901 when her son Edward VII became the first monarch of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. -
beefeaterjoe — 9 years ago(November 11, 2016 12:30 AM)
Beefeater Joe
In 1960 by order in Council, the last name of the descendants of Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip was changed to Mountbatten-Windsor. I presume we will learn in some future season how the Queen got this through Parliament to appease her husband. -
bevaremeg — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 02:51 PM)
In 1960 by order in Council, the last name of the descendants of Elizabeth II and Prince Phillip was changed to Mountbatten-Windsor.
Thanks for this clarification, beefeaterjoe. I thought this was the case - I was a child in the 1960s, but it was my recollection that Mountbatten-Windsor was the family name. -
bevaremeg — 9 years ago(November 15, 2016 03:07 PM)
Philip had no reason to think the rules had changed and the children wouldn't take his name.
Actually, as I think the Queen points out in the series, there is in fact no 'rule' in UK (as far as I know) that says that a man's children must bear his name - whether legitimate or otherwise. Just as there is no 'rule' or law that says a married woman must take her husband's surname. It is a tradition borne out of a courtesy to the husband, that the wife does this (presumably to allay any paternity angst he might have over the children his wife says are his).
There is also a tradition when marrying a woman who is some sort of major 'heiress' - for want of a better term - with land and estates that the man winning such a prize would in fact take her name. Doing a bit research into my own modest family history, I discovered that my surname does not actually directly follow the male line. An ancestor about 5 generations back married a woman who'd inherited her family's farm, and her husband took her surname, which was also the name of the farm/land that she'd inherited. (Land and property are more permanent fixtures than people and their names.) -
firstwinsgop-1 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:08 AM)
So why on Earth was he expecting not to live in Buckingham Palace when she became queen and for his children to take his name?
The name issue had nothing to do with her. Keeping the name "Windsor" even though it is a fake name to begin with and the Queen was the last of the "Windsors" anyway was a purely political thing pushed on the Royal Family by the commoner scum in Parliament. Phillip is not objecting to her being Queen with that quibble. He is objecting to people far beneath them dictating that they change their family name! It was an insult to Phillip as a man and an even greater insult to Elizabeth's royal dignity. Remember, Phillip was a member of the Greek Royal family and knew all too well the dangers of allowing the rabble to dictate terms to the monarchy.