Logan VS Jess
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Radrian_Grason — 9 years ago(December 26, 2016 11:56 AM)
Also, no one has stopped to thinknow that Luke and Lorelai are married, Rory is his step daughter. How weird would that relationship be? Luke's nephew and his step daughter together? No thanks.
Oh, I've thought about it and I hate it, but there are so many people who ship biological incest pairings that this won't faze them. In fact, I think the only reason Jess even came onto the scene and got romantically involved with Rory was to delay the inevitable Lorelai/Luke ship, but it was always doomed because L/L was endgame. Of course Rory hasn't shown any romantic attraction to him in ages, so whatever way I look at it, he isn't "Rory's Luke."
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CakesAndAle — 9 years ago(December 27, 2016 01:30 AM)
I disagree that Rory turned down Logan's proposal because she "wanted a clean slate to begin her life." She wasn't looking for a clean slate. She even told him she wanted to try having a long-distance relationship again but he was the one who turned it into an all-or-nothing ultimatum. Either she married him and moved to Palo Alto with him, or they broke up. Sounds like Logan is the one who wanted a clean slate.
And it wouldn't have made one single bit of difference if she had married him and moved to CA with him because ASP would still have made Rory's career derail and turned her into a cheater, etc. except Rory would have been pregnant by some other guy instead of Logan. That would have been necessary to achieve the outcome ASP wanted: to have Rory pregnant, single and in a situation comparable to her mother's when Rory was born.
As for the kind of man Logan is, he won me over in the original series but I thought it was ridiculous, selfish, (and out of character of him, frankly) to give Rory an ultimatum like that. Furthermore, the guy is cheating on his fiancee. That says a lot about his character (and hers, for that matter); if Richard were alive, he would have been all over that. Plus, Logan has gone back to working for his father. So much for his ambition and independence. If that's the way ASP sees Logan, then there was never going to be any hope for the happily ever after you were hoping for for those two.
The way the original series ended things, imo they could have easily gotten back together and gotten married eventually. That ending was hopeful; both of them were embarking on exciting new careers and it was easy to imagine them eventually getting back together at some point in the future. They would have made a terrific power couple. But that was never the ending ASP had in mind for Rory. It sounds like she really hated the hope-filled ending the other writers created for Rory. -
quote_the_raven1 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 07:56 AM)
It saddens me so much that some people romanticize a relationship with so much cheating and unfaithfulness involved from the very beginning. Logan and Rory's relationship was so toxic and unhealthy. Neither of them grew up, and they acted like teenagers while they were in their 30s. There was literally nothing keeping them from being in a real relationship aside from a lack of love for each other.
I will only say about Jess, that he can do much better than Rory Gilmore. He deserves better. Once a cheater, always a cheater. -
perfect_lover2012 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 11:45 AM)
I've always rooted for Rory and Logan. They just work together to me and I think Jess could do better and should want to do better. Logan and Rory are more alike than different IMO.
"When life gives you lemons"
Jessica
sleep with their fathers and have secret lemon children -
stefers08 — 9 years ago(December 28, 2016 03:44 PM)
Logan:
Is too selfish and immature, evident by the fact that although he was engaged, he was perfectly happy with carrying on an affair with Rory. The fact that he wants Rory to be happy is irrelevant to the fact that he's not willing to commit to her.
Jess:
I absolutely hated Jess's character when he was introduced. He was so emo and disrespectful. As much as I hate that he's still pining for Rory (she isn't worth it) he's actually matured and, unlike Logan who's only good at distracting Rory from her problems, Jess helps Rory confront her problems and look for solutions.
If you can't dazzle them with you wits, wow them with your tits -
A_girl_is_noone — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:36 AM)
I always liked both of them and didn't care which one Rory ended up with. The revival; however, has changed my perspective on both of them. I no longer like Logan at all, and I want Jess as far away from Rory as possible. She would cheat on him, and he deserves better than Rory. Logan and Rory came across as despicable human beings in this revival, so I guess they deserve each other.
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jmerrilee-138-891989 — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:28 PM)
I had always been a Team Logan person. It was obvious to me how much he loved her and despite all the obstacles they made it work, at least for a time. They dated for years and as far as I know neither cheated. She always has been an emotional wreck when it came to him, especially when things weren't going well. Yes he did sleep around when they had broken up, but they had broken up at that point. I really dislike what they did in the new shows making him a cheater and Rory a mistress. She seems to have terrible commitment issues and obviously still have a lot of feelings for him. When he proposed it felt like Rory has never heard of a long engagement before. There was no stopping her from doing her press tour with Obama for a year while being engaged at the same time. And as far as I know California has a lot of journalist opportunities. lol
At the start of the series I didn't care for Jess, he was the typical bad boy and of course Rory wanted him. He grew as a person to become a decent person and fairly successful, or at least he has his own book if not more. I think in the end Rory wanted to take his example, by cutting off all ties and try to make it on her own, only it didn't work out for her like it did him. In the new show I ended up liking Jess a lot and honestly I hope he doesn't end up with Rory, he's too good for her. Logan on the other hand is a good match.
She's obviously held feeling for Logan all this time and keeps him around any way she can. I think her pride is probably preventing her from admitting a mistake. I wonder if she had the chance to do a do-over 10 years ago if she would have married him seeing how her life turned out. -
rachfite-43369 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 08:21 AM)
I always thought it was unrealistic and random that she said no to the proposal. I thought the actual proposal could of been better. But seeing how committed they were to each other leading up to that and then she just says no. And it's for that job? She could of worked for an actual paper out in California. Logan had a great plan for them. I don't think a person in Rory's spot would of said no.
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VIETgrlTerifa — 9 years ago(January 04, 2017 06:38 AM)
In the actual show, I was team Logan all the way. Other than the having the means to pay for whatever you wanted, Logan and Rory's relationship seemed a lot more real and adult. I also thought the whole Jess redemption was came off as some half-baked female fan fiction dream of Jess. When I binged watched the show again about two years ago, my preference for Logan was even stronger as I didn't find Jess to be that great or developed of a character at all. In fact, I felt ASP and DP and the other writers went out of their way to butcher Dean's character beyond belief just to make Jess more appealing. Season 1 Dean was a different character than he was later on the series, and not really in a natural evolution of the character way.
Then this revival happened. It's clear ASP never envisioned Logan as a permanent partner for Rory. In fact, I bet she wants Rory to do what Lorelai did throughout 7 years and this revival of the show, which is be a pain in the ass and mess with the heads of a series of guys because why not?
Now I don't want either of them with Rory, and of course my opinion of Logan has really gone down hill with his behavior in the revival. My opinion of Jess hasn't really changed just because he was in two scenes and gave Rory some generic advice he read from Jo March from Little Women then gave her a passing glance before he left to be a fantasy cool New York literary hipster some bloggers cream their pants over but are actually annoying in real life. That said, he doesn't deserve the chaos that is Rory.
I'm not one to always damn cheaters on film and tv shows if the characters are well-written even if the behavior is inexcusable because humans are complicated. However, since we had no insight into Logan's relationship with Odette and how long Logan/Rory's on again/off again stint has been going on (from college graduation to early 30s? Those are a lot of years to not piss or get off the pot), we had to really work to fill in the blanks here and the whole thing was just unsatisfying on so many levels. I also don't get why Rory and Logan in their early 30s couldn't figure out what they wanted from each other. They didn't just meet each other, presumably have had a sexual and romantic relationship and deep friendship for over a decade by this point, etc. However, I guess both are still emotionally immature and with the way ASP develops characters, they won't figure it out until they're both almost hitting 50 and probably only one of them will figure it out. -
CakesAndAle — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 03:27 AM)
Her saying no was random? I disagree. The story line carefully built up to it. She didn't just say no. She wanted to continue their relationship long distance, but Logan, the idiot, made it an all-or-nothing ultimatum.
Logan's ultimatum is what was random, not Rory's response to it.
The funny thing is: a long distance relationship is exactly how things ended upwith the added twist of cheating. Good choice, Logan. -
rachfite-43369 — 9 years ago(January 08, 2017 11:48 AM)
And I disagree with you I think the storyline built up to the proposal and it was random she said no and that response left you thinking well her career is more important to her, she doesn't want to be tied down, but if she really loved him she would of said yes. It's like they were trying to say with her rejection "oh actually guys she wasn't really in love with him this whole time that was all a show and she would be willing to keep things long distance but not commit because hey she could get an unsteady freelance writer gig." In the episodes leading up to it they talk about factoring each other in, how they belong to each other and aren't worried about the relationship. I don't think Logan should of issued an ultimatum. However I don't think Rory had any reason to say no and her behavior showed she was in love so why would she say no to marrying a guy she loved? To keep her options open? What options? She could of still worked in her field. Besides Logan had a great plan for them and she wouldn't of been walking down the isle the following week. That's why it was random. Obviously if Logan wasn't ready to propose then it wouldn't of been an option. Rory could of taken a job where she chose and been with him still if that was ok with both of them but he was ready. It was random that her relationship wasn't the most important thing to her all of a sudden.
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CakesAndAle — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 03:45 AM)
Her decision did not leave me thinking her career was more important to her. It left me thinking she was wise (and mature, for once) not to jump into marriage just because her career options weren't turning out as she had expected they would. And certainly it is NEVER a good idea to accept a marriage proposal that is presented as a demand/all-or-nothing ultimatum, Emotional blackmail much?
. if she really loved him she would of [sic] said yes
That's silly; if he really respected her, and if he wasn't so selfish, he wouldn't have made it an all-or-nothing ultimatum.
However I don't think Rory had any reason to say no and her behavior showed she was in love so why would she say no to marrying a guy she loved?
But she didn't say she didn't want to marry him. She said she wasn't ready to get married at that moment, just because Logan was moving to CA and demanded that she move there immediately or he would break up with her. -
rachfite-43369 — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 09:33 AM)
And like I said I do not think Logan had a wedding planned for them the following week. If she wasn't ready to get married then she might have been in a year or two. Doesn't mean she had to say no to the engagement or a more committed relationship and the entire plan. If she said yes it would of been because she loved him, wanted to be his partner and she would of made the career happen out in California. She says no but still says she wants long distance even though it was hard on them the entire year before. And she says that because things are undecided in her career and she wants to keep her options open and not be tied down. Even though she still could of worked and she didn't have anything else lined up. They thus leave you drawing the conclusion that Rory's career was more important to her and she did not love him enough to say yes. And she viewed this as being tied down. All of a sudden they make her someone who would choose career first over love even though the entire season negated that. Lorelai's tells her she would of said yes to it all if he truly was the one. I think it was random and they grasped at staws to make her someone who values her career more. Obviously we see this differently.
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PrivateBozz — 9 years ago(January 12, 2017 06:59 AM)
It's a bit pointless to speculate who would be the better boyfriend for Rory, because it really only depends on what the writers are doing with them.
From what we've seen in the show so far I can say that I like Logan; even though he has some weaknesses he seems to have a good and generous heart, and he always ends up doing and saying the right thing. Everything is big and flawless with him, and very flattering - all too perfect and smooth, which makes him and Rory a bit boring together imo. They have strong feelings for each other, but there's something about their relationship that seems so business-like. At some point I started enjoying the scenes between Rory and Logan's father much more than those between her and Logan, haha!
I prefer Jess, because I find him more interesting and passionate. He seems to have a special connection with Rory, his input makes her think about her life and ultimately inspires her to fulfill her potential. He seems deeply in love with her, but a relationship with him would probably be more difficult and challenging than with Logan. He doesn't make life comfortable, but since he seems to be way more at peace now I guess it could work. I would definitely love to see it.
For me it's- Jess
- Dean
- Logan
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