Slut shaming on this board
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Gilmore Girls: A Year in the Life
deniselleswan-50425 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 02:35 AM)
How many more threads are people going to start about Rory being a "slut"?
She has her first one-night stand in the revival. She has had exactly two sex partners before that (Logan and Dean). Most 30-year-old women have had more sex than her. Lorelai has definitely had more partners - at least two before Chris, plus Max and Jason and Luke. That's at least six. This is a more realistic portrayal of a grown woman's sex life. Rory is a prude compared to her.
I agree with the critique re: sleeping with an engaged man. I also agree that Rory is an entitled brat in general. But the barrage of "slut" and "whore" on here is unbelievable. It's misogynistic and frankly embarrassing in 2016.
Women have sex. Get over it. -
bethwilliams11 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 03:48 AM)
To be fair, we're going to assume she's had other boyfriends/sexual partners before she met Paul. I doubt she was completely celibate (besides Logan) in the 8 years between the end of the series and meeting Paul.
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deniselleswan-50425 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 04:52 AM)
OK, fair enough. But we do know this is her first one night stand, which means she has only had sex with men she's in love with, or in a relationship with. Just like Lorelai has done after having Rory.
The definition of "slut" is vague, of course. I'd be curious to hear where the line goes. Is it just because she sleeps with an engaged man? If so, what does that make Logan? -
angeljunegordon — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 06:50 AM)
I do think people are more bothered with her sleeping with Logan, who is living with his fiancee, than with the total number of men Rory sleeps with.
I don't know what the Palladino's intentions were, but in creating that storyline, they made both Logan and Rory very unsympathetic.
It, of course, reminded everyone of Rory sleeping with the married Dean.
It's not so much that she is a "slut," but that she seems to lack a moral compass.
And I found that Logan knew the way to entice her was to offer a 5-star hotel room, a bit icky. It made her seem like a call girl. -
stefers08 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 07:32 AM)
I do think people are more bothered with her sleeping with Logan, who is living with his fiancee, than with the total number of men Rory sleeps with.
Exactly. I think people simply prefer to call her a slut over a homewrecker.
And I found that Logan knew the way to entice her was to offer a 5-star hotel room, a bit icky. It made her seem like a call girl.
And this pretty much solidified anyone's belief that she was in fact a slut. If the guy she's sleeping with treats her like a whore, odds are she's a whore. But let's not forget that Rory put herself in that situation. She allowed Logan to treat her like a prostitute because she acted like one.
If you can't dazzle them with you wits, wow them with your tits -
runforfree — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 05:04 AM)
Have u read and internalized the comments? They r never because she had sex they r because she is a cheater with no remorse. And while you may be ok with people cheating on their bfs no matter how forgettable with engaged or married men not everyone is. The way rory does it is indicative of a deceitful and selfish person. Her behaviour is true ho bag behaviour and for the last time it's not because she's having sex.
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deniselleswan-50425 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 05:12 AM)
I said I agree that she shouldn't have sex with an engaged man. But I don't see anyone accusing Logan of being a man slut or whatever. And yes, I have read the comments and some of them are about her one and only one night stand.
I'm used to seeing the word "slut" thrown around when a woman is having a lot of sex with various men. I don't condone that use, but I thought that's what it meant. (I'm not a native English speaker, so I might be missing some cultural context here.)
WTF is a "ho bag"? That sounds even worse than "slut". Again, what is Logan? -
super-staff — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 12:35 PM)
I've found that many people will resort to insults and broad terms when making arguments such as whether what Rory did was wrong. I can see the point you're trying to make but I think
most
fans are not solely singling Rory out in this instance, similarly to the situation from the main series with her and Dean. I think cheating is reprehensible and a violation of trust, even in fiction. I personally hold Logan and Rory in low regard after the revival, and while I think there's no shame in someone wanting to have an open relationship and/or sleep around (as long as safety and consent are practiced), I feel that this specific instance warrants disgust. -
runforfree — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 05:24 AM)
Ho bag is about the same thing. I hate the word slut. Reason why no one harps on logan also being a ho bag, is not because he's a guy but the main and very critical reason is of course rory and lorelai are the absolute main characters in this show, logan is not. A very simple but critical point that I am shocked that anyone could miss. The name of this show is the gilmore girls not the logan show and most people don't wwant her to end up with him.
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deniselleswan-50425 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 06:25 AM)
You're missing my wider point. Men who have a lot of sex, or cheat on their partners, are not treated the same way as women in the same situation. When we react on something on TV, we easily default to our society's biases.
How many partners has Logan had? How many of those were just one-night stands? He slept with basically all of his sister's friends. He cheated on Rory, and now he's cheating on Odette. People seem way more judgmental of Rory. In fact, Logan is the least trustworthy of her three boyfriends, but many fans still think they're meant to be.
I never claimed that this show is "about Logan", but I think that is a moot point. My theory is that even if this were The Logan Huntzberger Variety Hour, people would still be calling Rory a slut, because she's the woman. I can't prove it in this case, so believe what you will, I guess. -
deoverian — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 08:24 AM)
Of course men and women who have lots of partners are not treated the same, and for good reason. That has nothing to do with societal bias lol
And the fact that you don't even understand the irony in what you're saying makes me speculate that you probably lack perspective and objectivity. -
runforfree — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 06:38 AM)
I get what you're saying in general and it's true. But this isn't about that this is about the actions of one of the two main leads in a show and she is quite selfish, hung up on her own notions of self importance and also deceitful. I can't root for a character like that whether that character is male or female. In making your point you're wrongly accusing everyone who calls rory out as sexist. That reflects your own biases. The fact is this really isn't the logan show most people commenting here r fans of gilmore girls and they have a damn right to call out something on this show without considering how people view cheaters on other shows.
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deniselleswan-50425 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 06:50 AM)
The thing I protest is the constant use of the word "slut". I'm sick of seeing it in thread titles. There are multiple threads only about how "slutty" Rory is. I still argue this is misogynistic.
However, I'm not complaining about calling Rory out on her behavior. I agree completely that people have a right to critique her. In fact, I think she's a terribly entitled, lazy, and arrogant person in the revival. I also think it's wrong to have sex with an engaged man, especially when you also have a boyfriend. I have responded to threads here making that very point.
So I wasn't meaning to censor anyone's opinions about Rory, I just don't like the S word and how easily it is thrown around when it comes to female characters. -
brianbakerln — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:43 AM)
Logan and Dean are clearly reprehensible people for cheating on their fiance/spouse with the heroine of our story, and I agree it makes all the characters unsympathetic. Clearly Logan is accustomed to always getting what he wants, but it sure would have been a great opportunity to deepen his character, to see him feeling remorse over his infidelity, or if his loquacious friends gave him a Shakespearean beatdown.
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pirouette028 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:09 AM)
I don't like Rory's cheating. That's all it's about for me. I have been equally critical of Dean and Logan; it's just that Rory happens to be one of the main characters so she's talked about more often in general. Cheating is such a yucky thing to do. I don't like it in real life, and I don't like seeing it in fiction.