I hate these 8 episode shows and this was only 6, so I turned it on ready for it to suck and be an incomplete story, etc
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Phaenon — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 04:53 PM)
I don't mind switching characters around when there is a story for it and I thought that the character of Sam did a good thing doing so within a story which was pretty weak elsewhere.
Nobody seems bothered that Nick Fury is black now and so I think a lot of this "Thinking" is racist in and of itself and staged to have folks think that racism is anywhere as real as they think it is.
Objectively the story was weak beyond the black aspect which I hope gets dropped in favour of hope, the way Steve Rogers would have had it, and we get an actual Marvel story with at least mention of other Avengers and the wider universe that they've established.
Ding Dong
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TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 05:18 PM)
I don't like that Nick Fury is black.
It's racist.
Make NEW black characters.
As I recall, Nick Fury is a WWII vet that had some kind of life extension treatment and is his own type of superhero. For the movies it's let's make him a black guy muthafuckah!
Nick has no story in the movies and comes on and does Samuel Jackson stuff. He's a "let's put a black guy as boss" racist character.
They would never have a Chinese Nick Fury, due to their racism. They have to put in a black Nick Fury, due to their racism.
Marvel comics movies have tons of this type of racism and I hate it.
They could cast a Chinese guy as Mandarin, because they said it's racist, so they gave no Chinese guy a hgh pay check and fame, because they put an English actor in his place.
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Phaenon — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 05:30 PM)
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
will have a Chinese guy as the real Mandarin
I think Nick Fury works best in the shadows and his story will be one built upon the entirety of the Marvel cinematic universe.
I'm not saying that you don't have a point with creating new characters rather than sacrificing some for a diversity quota but it is just fiction and should be accessible to more people through association.
Disney is racist though and that is something people should be focussing on rather than who plays who in a fictional comic book setting.
Ding Dong
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TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 05:44 PM)
I just think it's gross and confusing you have comics about human achievements and unity peppered with all of this tokenism.
It objectifies black people almost always.
It's never a Mongolian Thor, Spiderman, etc it's always blacks as if they're the only other minority. It "sucks their dick" while objectifying them at the same time, which is weird to the extreme. I don't understand the psychology of it.
Meanwhile, it's a creative medium with extremely creative characters and history, but they can't invent new stuff? It should be unlimited.
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Phaenon — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 06:02 PM)
Tokenism will hopefully die away once good new characters are created and people can be proud of heroes they relate to.
It will happen but, as you say, this inverse racism has to be gone first.
I still think Samuel Jackson rocks it as Nick Fury though.
Ding Dong
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TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 06:16 PM)
I like him in general.
Mace Windu!
I would watch that movie. That's an original character.
Marvel has been doing Tokenism since the 90s. Ironically, they came up with classic original black character stories in the 60s and 70s. So, they went from really committing to doing a good job to covert racism as time moved forward.
It's a strange progression but there has to be someone in power there who is no educated and doesn't get what they're doing.
On a side note:
I noticed that many English shows on Netflix are filled with Tokenism.
There's some historical Elizabethan story with royalty black, a Sherlock Holmes spinoff with Watson as black, and I watched two episodes of Shadow and Bone which is in alternate reality Russia and there's blacks.
They always pop up in these "leadership" roles and it makes no sense how or why they're there. In addition, they always have the actors act in this "no nonsense" eloquent manner as if blacks were "in charge" in ancient times.
If I was a black actor I would be pissed.
The twist I have seen on all that is that not only is it tokenism, it erases the struggle blacks had during these time periods.
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Phaenon — 4 years ago(April 25, 2021 06:29 PM)
Yeah the tokenism will stop once there's enough modern content to focus on modernity and the populations which inhabit Western civilisation now but for the meantime I wouldn't worry about it too much outside of period pieces or real life events which had crucial actors in roles which should be respected.
I'm sure we'll all laugh at how it currently is in twenty years or so the same way we laugh at flared trousers and hippies from the 60s
Ding Dong
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