Instead of euthanizing dogs who bite children/people
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 02:15 AM)
So you're saying that these "sanctuaries" would allow packs of wild dogs to roam free? How else would you prevent these reprobates from biting people?
Or are you suggesting we keep them in cages? In other words, it would be a dog prison.
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MovieManCin2 — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 02:22 AM)
If you've ever watched Cesar Millan, the
"Dog Whisperer"
, he runs a dog sanctuary. The dogs are kept in a large
fenced in area
, and are treated very well. I would agree with sending these dogs to a sanctuary like this.
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Brexit Means Borders — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:08 AM)
You think dogs can be reprobates?
Packs of wild dogs? Most dogs who bite people belong to people who got loose from their yard.
How else would you prevent these reprobates from biting people?
Because it isn't their character to bite people. These are good dogs who bit once out of confusion and fear. They don't go around viciously biting people. Any person's dog is capable of biting someone if he gets loose from his yard.
would allow packs of wild dogs to roam free?
They'd be allowed to roam free and there'd be no cages, except large ones used only in a situation where the staff is off for Christmas. There'd be an indoor facility and lots of farmland outside, and a human staff on duty 24/7.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:19 AM)
Apparently you've never been chased by a junkyard dog. I have. Yes, dogs can be reprobates.
A well trained dog doesn't bite people unless the person is doing something wrong. If my dog bites your stank ass and you're on my property, I'd give my dog a bone, preferably your femur.
If your dog gets loose from your yard and bites my boy, you're looking at a huge lawsuit.
If you want to pay for your nasty undisciplined dog to live in a shelter, I'm all for it. But I sure as hell ain't paying for it.
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Brexit Means Borders — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 04:16 AM)
There are no evil dogs. Just abused ones.
Honestly, usually if you get down on your knees and know how to talk to the dog, they warm up to you pretty fast. They just need TLC.
If you want to pay for your nasty undisciplined dog to live in a shelter, I'm all for it. But I sure as hell ain't paying for it.
Why do you take odd leaps like this?
Why are you using 2nd person? I don't have a dog. I'm referring to dogs accused of biting someone, who now are typically euthanized.
Not talking about a shelter: A sanctuary. These are very different. You typically cannot adopt from an animal from a sanctuary, but
We're not talking about someone "wanting" their dog to go to this sanctuary. It's supposed to be a punishment. Nobody "wants" their dog to go here just as nobody wants their dog to be euthanized, or their family member to go to prison. I'm talking about this as a place that animals are forced to go by the state/feds after committing an attack on a human being, as opposed to being euthanized.
You sound very hostile in regard to animals for some reason. If I stereotyped you as a gay person, I would have stereotyped you as a bleeding heart who likes animals. But my God, you are gay, but without all the good qualities that come with being gay. If you're going to be gay, at least be the tree hugging kind. Save the whales. At least have some sense of decency, compassion, and empathy for others.
Otherwise, your homosexuality is not in any way benefiting the planet. You're having sex with men, but without giving back to the environment. Save the trees, save the whales, dude. Do something productive for the planet with your homosexuality.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 05:22 AM)
"You" as in a generic pronoun to mean people in general. But you're advocating this system. Are you gonna pay for it?
Dogs are beyond good and evil. But a wild dog will attack you. He's free and his nature tells him to bite you. He's not abused, he's free. So again your premise is wrong. All vicious dogs have not been abused. A dog by nature will bite, even kill a human.
And I love animals. I'm just not an idiot who equates them to humans.
I also condemn the PETA activists who rescued animals from labs only to euthanize them. So don't tell me all your animal rights buddies don't want to euthanize animals.
You seem to misunderstand that we live in a human society. Dogs can never be a part of society and afforded the same rights. It would be pretentious of us to do so. We can't truly understand them and they can't truly understand us. They live in a dog society which has its own unfathomable rules. We can protect them from abuse. But they can never enter our society as equals just as we can never enter their "society" and be dogs.
And I'm a masculinist fag, a swashbuckling butt pirate, not some dumbfuck LGBT idiot.
Yes, I'm all for sanctuaries. It sounds like a grand idea. But not on my tax dollars. You and charities must fund them or the only alternative is euthanization.
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Brexit Means Borders — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 05:39 AM)
But a wild dog will attack you. He's free and his nature tells him to bite you. He's not abused, he's free. So again your premise is wrong. All vicious dogs have not been abused. A dog by nature will bite, even kill a human.
What do you mean by wild dogs? If you're referring to dogs who live in the wild, ie, wolves, coyotes, hyenas, those aren't the dogs being rounded up and euthanized for biting. They live in…the wild. Regular dogs are inherently domesticated. There are no truly wild dogs in that sense - maybe dogs without homes. Or ferrel dogs. But they can be trained with TLC, If they're rounded up, and too aggressive at first, they can be separated from the pact in a large room until they deem it's safe. No biggie.
Yes, I'm all for sanctuaries. It sounds like a grand idea. But not on my tax dollars.
Tax-funding is the only way to make this entire idea feasible. In order for a state / court system to sentence a dog to this place, it
has
to be state-funded. The state and feds cannot force something on someone that they're not paying for.
The state can force capital punishment on humans because the state pays for those executions. It's not like…"We're sentencing you to death, but you have to pay for your own execution! We accept American Express. Please insert your card into the built-in terminal at the top of the chair if there's a chip."
I'm not arguing for merely the existence of sanctuaries. There are already many sanctuaries. They operate on donations. But animals are not sent there by law after biting someone. That's the whole point of this. In order for that to be possible, it must be state-funded.
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DrakeStraw — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 02:22 AM)
Animal sanctuaries should be tax-funded.
They should be funded by the bleeding hearts that agree with your position! Use your foundation to set up a home for wayward dogs and ask for donations.
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MovieManCin2 — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 02:25 AM)
Amen! That's basically what I suggested. Don't tax the people. Let the folks who benefit pay for it.
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MovieManCin2 — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 05:02 AM)
No I don't, but the government
forces
me to do so, and would throw me in prison if I refused.
They should all be privatized, and then they would be run much better. The government is into WAY too many things, and almost always does a bad job. As President Ronald Reagan said,
"Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem."
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Brexit Means Borders — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:15 AM)
So being against not killing someone for a crime they didn't intentionally commit = bleeding heart to you?
Tax-funded is ideal, because it needs to be something recognized by the state and the legal system. Judicial courts can't legally send a dog to a nonprofit.
Tax-funding also ensures they get necessary veterinary care when required. You can't rely on donations for life-and-death situations like this. This is too crucial of an issue to reduce it to politics. These are living beings, not library books. -
MovieManCin2 — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 02:24 AM)
I agree with everything
except for them being tax funded
. The taxpayers are WAY
too overburdened as it is. Let the dog owners and the community pay for it. They could charge a monthly fee.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 02:41 AM)
But you know bleeding hearts like the OP would make taxpayers foot the bill. There will be plenty of fools who don't want to pay for their antisocial dog and prefer it be euthanized.
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Brexit Means Borders — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:18 AM)
There will be plenty of fools who don't want to pay for their antisocial
child
and prefer it be euthanized.
If someone has a dog, why would any sane dog caretaker want their dog to be killed? Why would they have the dog in the first place?
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:24 AM)
Your dog is your problem. A child is protected by law and has rights. Your nasty mutt has no rights. It's your job to keep him in line, not mine.
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Platonic_Caveman — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:42 AM)
Your dog is protected by law in that you can be arrested for abusing him. But are you suggesting we give dogs the vote? They're not part of our human society. They have their own world.
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DrakeStraw — 6 years ago(August 06, 2019 03:48 AM)
… who don't want to pay for their antisocial dog and prefer it be euthanized.
The last dog that attacked me and several of my neighbors was euthanized.
She was probably mentally ill because of overly zealous defense of her turf across the street. Would
@Brexit Means Borders
have us build mental hospitals for dogs when so many of the human variety are on the streets for lack of funding? This is a philanthropic pipe dream. Of course only a tax pork barrel could fund it.
I believe we have been trolled guys.
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