If being gay/trans isn't a psychiatric illness, then what's "normal?"
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NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 12:53 PM)
First, this might shock you, but both Trans and gays can reproduce! Some even do!
But
in our curtain society reproduction doesn't determine whether or not a relationship is normal or valid. If that were the case, old people dating and getting married would be looked down upon.
Secondly, homosexuality is seen all through-out history and in thousands of species. It's seen so frequently and consistantly it's easy to conclude that it's a natural variation of sexuality. That's exactly why it was removed as a "mental illness". That along with the fact that being gay doesn't have any negative effect on a persons life like bi-polar or schitzophrenia.
Lastly, who cares? It's been proven time and time again that you cannot change someone's orientation. If they're a dude and like dicks, or a woman who likes the puss, more power to them. It's no less normal or abnormal than using a condom or getting a blowjob durring sex, especially if your guide to being "normal" is that sex is meant for reproduction.
I really don't get why this is even still being discussed. Gay people are gay. Who cares?
As for Trans, that's quite different, so
personally
I wouldn't even lump the two together. But that's me.
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours -
NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:20 PM)
Hey genius, everyone knows that. I was actually making a comment about your obvious struggle with your own sexuality.
There's probably a pretty good chance that you crave the penis. That's fine. No judgements from me. Just sayin.
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYour -
bbrown2676 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:23 PM)
Never said it was a good idea.
But thinking that the gay community is responsible for the spread is ludicrous.
It ran through the gay community because the Reagan administration thought it was just a Gay Disease and didn't take action to educate people. -
NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:46 PM)
What he said is completely accurate. For the longest time there was almost no information on aids, how it was spread, etc. Once they started figuring it out, it was labled a gay disease which lead to a lot of ignorance on the subject. Women thought they couldn't get it. Drug users thought they were safe. No one knew they could get it through blood transfusions. There was a lot of misinformation and there still is.
I know you think you're all knowing because you watched a documentary on netflix.. but
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours -
tokyojapan-59350 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:59 PM)
Their ability to reproduce(for trans if they keep their birth sex organs) has nothing much to do with their lack of social roles.
Now we're getting into the topic of group biology or herd biology and what exactly constitutes "normal human relationship behavior" and this is where it gets dicey. I'm not hitting your head with a religious book here and wagging my finger.
What I'm trying to explain to you is that THE SECULAR MEDICAL COMMUNITY used to think this way and many still do.
But you have a very relativist sort of view. And the problem if you're right is the point I made "what is normal?"
Doctors used to use common social roles as the "norm."
After all monogamous or semi-monogamous heterosexual relationships have been the norma for thousands of yrs save with kings or moguls and the like with lots of concubines, that and hookers.
You misunderstand. Nobody here is judging anybody or anything.
I'm just trying to ask the question "what measure stick do we use to define normal secular biological behavior?"
You seem to not have a measuring stick at all, which, as I pointed out would lead to ALL KINDS of open questions. Generally speaking we think of MS, cancer, etc as genetic disease. Why? Because they challenge or inhibit the general function and survival of the organism and also to a greater extent the GROUP of that organism.
Reproduction seems to have been the measuring stick secular biologists and medical doctors used to judge what was normal or not. But you seem to have thrown that to the wind in some kind of revisionist sort of philosophical judgement. Again, not saying that's wrong but if traditional social roles are meaningless then what solid criteria do we use to judge behavior? Why are bipolars and schizos abnormal? If what you are saying is true there are "no normals" and the dude on the street corner who's "high functioning" and who supports himself by scrapping metal from dumpsters(I know a dude in New Orleans like that, actually makes about $600/week doing it) but otherwise talks to the voices in his head or has violent mood swings and sleeps under a freeway bridge is he normal? -
disturbedtool68 — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:00 PM)
I'm going to miss watching confused liberal haters struggle with such innocuous things such as someone else's sexual preference
Of course there's always the chance that the OP is struggling with
his
sexual preference, which would explain a lotIgnorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand
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CactusBraBurning — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:21 PM)
heh.one thing I learned early on from the internet was that people are into disgusting sexual stuff behind closed doors.
A lot of "professional" men are the worstthey do all kinds of sick stuff because they usually have the means to do it. And you'd never know it in person because nobodyyy talks about it in their communities.
Look at Utah for example; one of the most religious states and they watch the most porn and the sickest stuff.
Something you consider to be sick..might be more common than you think. -
grungyhappycat — 9 years ago(February 13, 2017 01:52 PM)
Gender dysphoria, I think, is still considered a mental illness. It's treated with medications, therapy, and transitioning. Transitioning is the most effective treatment at the moment, boasting the lowest suicide rate (41% of transsexuals commit suicide - highest suicide rate in the gay community), which is why most doctors go down that route. Not all transsexuals decide to transition though. But those that do decide to transition undergo extensive therapy before being prescribed hormones. Sex reassignment surgery takes over a year of living in the proposed gender + even more intense therapy.
As you can see by some of the replies you have received, even those accepting of homosexuals have a hard time understanding transsexuals. This is because transsexuals make up a very, very tiny percentage of the population (0.4% in the US). They are often misunderstood and thus mislabeled (perverts, freaks, pedos, etc). Mainly due to ignorance. Even you, OP, said you would rather not have them in locker rooms where there are children present, because children are impressionable.
You say transsexuals are complex people to understand. That's somewhat true. But they are exactly like everyone else, really. They laugh, they fall in love, they have jobs, families and friends, etc. The only thing that's different about transsexuals from us "normal" people, is that they don't identify with their birth gender, and so, to achieve a better life, a happier life, they choose to live their lives as the gender they feel they should be. That's really it.
What's considered normal changes throughout time as society continues to evolve. Maybe someday transsexuality won't be considered abnormal, or a mental illness, or maybe it still will be. I guess we'll see. Always remember to treat people with respect.