Since some whiny, idiotic Trump sycophants had the first thread deleted.
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T-Mex — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 04:54 AM)
That's a real difference.
The people you loathe so much, you know, Libs, they actually tend to regularly watch Fox, Alex Jones and read Breitbart. Because it's smart to know what is said on the other side. It's makes one's opinion better informed.
But guys like you are proud of your ignorance. You think it makes you better. But it's actually the other way around.
Comedians and satirists will never reach people like you. You're not important in that regard. It's about the ones in the middle. The ones who decide elections. They tend to be more curious than the slackjawed, unquestioning ones, like yourself. If Trump keeps his crap up, which he will, this is going to be a hell of a crappy tenure.
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Bob_Loblaw_Lobs_Law_Bombs — 9 years ago(February 14, 2017 02:14 PM)
for all john's huffing and puffing, he is consistently wrong and/or on the wrong side of just about everything he rails against. it's funny to watch him politically grandstand and consistently fail. I actually really liked his hbo show a lot when it first started out but then when it became clear that it had moved beyond the realm of satire in to partisan hackery, we stopped watching it.
the thing about guys like oliver who use a massive platform like an hbo comedy news satire program is that they can never just be satisfied just doing satire. they always let their personal politics seep in and then start presenting comedy as actual news. so the dumb people watching, who are not able to discern between a credible news program and a comedian making a half-baked sarcastic news program think they actually are getting valid news there. which is sad and scary but it's reality these days and one that you better believe oliver is fully aware of an is exploiting. it's exactly what the daily show was as well. I doubt anyone watches that show anymore though with that terrible new host.
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Nobbi — 9 years ago(February 14, 2017 03:09 PM)
As funny as John Oliver is,
there is one thing he doesn't understand:
All his effort is useless.
DT and his crew are FACT-PROOF and so are their public.
And why doesn't DT care?
Because he uses the
Thomas-theorem
to make self-fulfilling prophecies
If men define situations as real, they are real in their consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_theorem
This means: once there is a critical mass of people who are not consuming classical media any more and listen to the Bannons and Trumps only there will be a certain effect:
Let's take the unemployment rate, let's assume DT states the unemployment rate is 30% and repeats this again and again
people will FEEL that this is actually is the case
and begin to ACT like this situation would have been true.
Puppets to a master.
Democracy's going downhill
and no comedian can change something about that.
It's so good this board closes so I can cry safely in my home
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washclothrepairman — 9 years ago(February 14, 2017 11:09 PM)
This means: once there is a critical mass of people who are not consuming classical media any more and listen to the Bannons and Trumps only there will be a certain effect:
Let's take the unemployment rate, let's assume DT states the unemployment rate is 30% and repeats this again and again
people will FEEL that this is actually is the case
and begin to ACT like this situation would have been true.
Puppets to a master.
Democracy's going downhill
I agree with that.
Never trust a black man named "Chip." -
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Nobbi — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 02:27 AM)
Nothing says 'unbiased' like perpetually dependent parasites
Sure, but You have to build up structures that are independent of the contemporary government. The experience in countries that have such structures are- yes, it's difficult to keep those structures without corruption
BUT - media situation as a whole is not going complete havoc there like it's the case in the U.S.A.
- yes, it's difficult to keep those structures without corruption
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InternationaleClique — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:20 AM)
- media situation as a whole is not going complete havoc there like it's the case in the U.S.A.
At least the USA has a sizeable opposition media.
The "opposition" to the leftist media in Europe isfar left papers. There's not a single right wing media in my country. Germany doesn't appear to be much different.
- media situation as a whole is not going complete havoc there like it's the case in the U.S.A.
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Nobbi — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 06:18 AM)
The "opposition" to the leftist media in Europe isfar left papers. There's not a single right wing media in my country.
You have to be
very
far right to get this experience. (but I knew that in Your case) . May I ask which Country?
Germany doesn't appear to be much different
Let me take You by the hand and walk through the normal bookstore at a railway station and browse through the magazines
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InternationaleClique — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 06:27 AM)
You have to be very far right to get this experience. (but I knew that in Your case) . May I ask which Country?
No, just legitimately right. Even the very light right variant ala Fox News is completely absent. There are no major far right publications in the West that I have heard of, but plenty of far left.
Norwegen.
Let me take You by the hand and walk through the normal bookstore at a railway station and browse through the magazines
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Nobbi — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 06:49 AM)
Perhaps, but the fact remains that all the major publications are leftist. That's a massively skewed balance.
The F.A.Z. and Cicero are quite intelligent and very conservative - but they would rather shut up forever than taking the point of view of neo-Nazis. And in the case of the F.A.Z. sometimes You also get other views as well. (for example it's the only print magazine where Constanze Kurz writes on a regulary Level) There are enough German speaking websites filling the printed-neo-nazi-stuff-gap (which I won't promote here). More to Your liking will probably be the Swiss Magazine "Die Weltwoche" , it's strongly connected with the SVP.
Problem is: the more You go to the right, the more they are ready to distort reality for their usage.
Test it for Yourself
http://www.bildblog.de/86448/bild-fuettert-rechte-hetzer-mit-sex-mob-geruecht/
this event never happened (details explained in the article). BILD corrected itself (they do it rarely), did the others do as well?
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Painbow — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:59 AM)
Haven't seen it but hopefully will at some point.
I'm glad Trump's president and don't mind him being mocked (how could you not) but find the hysterical "he's Hitler" stuff utterly moronic.
He's a TV buffoon, not an Africa tribal lord who kills his enemies.
That being said, I'm finding it harder and harder to like Oliver's stuff.
Forum of choice -
https://www.imdforums.com