https://www.airforcetimes.com/articles/airman-convicted-of-murdering-pregnant-fiancee-could-face-death-penalty
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Jason_23 — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 03:21 AM)
She was 8.5 months pregnant, meaning it was a child.
So at what point does a fetus become a child?
Its different if it was 2 months
Not according to my understanding of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004. Also, a majority of US states recognize the fetus as a legal victim of homicide during the entire period of pre-natal development.
Also the woman was clearly intending to have a child, that child is then a viable human waiting to be born. If a woman has no intention of going through with the pregnancy, its not a viable human.
So the determining factor on whether a murder case should be tried as a homicide or a double homicide is based on what the woman was thinking before she was killed? What if she was 3 months pregnant and still undecided? -
MarwoodWalks — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:35 AM)
So at what point does a fetus become a child?
When it can live outside the mother?
Not according to my understanding of the Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004
It was my own thoughts on the matter, not a legal fact.
So the determining factor on whether a murder case should be tried as a homicide or a double homicide is based on what the woman was thinking before she was killed?
un no, that isn't anything like what I wrote. An aborted pregnancy at 2 months was never going to be a humanit was unwanted and was terminated before it was a viable life. An unborn child at 8.5 months was clearly going to be a human, so its murder.
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NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 02:03 AM)
How do men justify masturbation? Sperm is alive. Remember, a life is a life, no matter how small.
*With her alive-nostrils once snaggle front-tooth crossing the other and wear bangs -InherentlyYours -
NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 02:13 AM)
A human cell. That if given the chance could have lead to a baby. Anything to justify spanking the monkey amirite?
In all seriousness.. I'm not exactly being serious here
Seriously though, sad story.
Also.. no more jerking off.. for anyone.
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The_Herald_Erjen — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 02:27 AM)
A human cell. That if given the chance could have lead to a baby. Anything to justify spanking the monkey amirite?
It could have, but it didn't.
In all seriousness.. I'm not exactly being serious here
You're being a smartass, and this board isn't big enough for two smartassesso I'll be going now.
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thebadwolf — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 02:14 AM)
How do men justify masturbation? Sperm is alive. Remember, a life is a life, no matter how small.
that should be are alive but ignoring that despite sperm being alive in no way are they a human life.
Besides mastibation millions of them die having sex millions of them die even if one of them manages to find a egg. But in any case if you don't have sex or masturbate they are either reabsorbed into the body come out and die when you are sleeping via wet dream anyway.
Equating male masterbation with abortion is insane.
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NostalgiasForGeeks — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 02:17 AM)
You guys really take my posts way too seriously sometimes.
Sheesh.
Really though.. the masturbation must stop.
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oreleeodealy — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 04:50 AM)
But in any case if you don't have sex or masturbate they are either reabsorbed into the body come out and die when you are sleeping via wet dream anyway
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oreleeodealy — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 04:40 AM)
But I never understood the pro-choice abortion argument that a fetus is just "her body, her choice"
When interpreting abortion law remember the issue is between a states interest in protection it's population vs a persons right to privacy. It's not really about weather a fetus is considered a life or not, the question is; is a fetus a 'person' protected by the constitution.
How do pro-choice people defend against this?
They don't, pro-choice organisations have argued against these laws
I suppose for me the reason I support the current abortion laws is because it allows a person to make the moral decision of 'when life begins' without a states interference. But still includes a framework where the potential child's right to life are protected (as the pregnancy develops) which I think is logical
I think it's a separate question as to weather an unborn child can be the victim of a crime, but I think it's tough to call it murder. For example, say a pregnant women went to a doctor, who preformed an abortion without permission, I think a crime has been committed against the women, not the fetus.
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HugsFromLV426 — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:42 AM)
I suppose for me the reason I support the current abortion laws is because it allows a person to make the moral decision of 'when life begins' without a states interference.
So 'when life begins' is different from person to person based upon their moral beliefs? That sounds like a question for science, not morality. By extension a woman could kill her six year old child because she morally decided that they were not alive yet.
For example, say a pregnant women went to a doctor, who preformed an abortion without permission, I think a crime has been committed against the women, not the fetus.
That would be the case if the fetus/baby was not developed to the point that it would be able to live outside the woman's body. At those times the crime is 'illegal termination of a pregnancy'. -
JustAView — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 06:19 AM)
- We live in society, and society has some laws/rules to guarantee peaceful coexistence and development; but we don't have laws/rules for everything. Society allows individuals to make many personal decisions as long as they don't conflict with society's goals and laws/rules.
- The fetus becomes a baby/child when it is born, when it can live independently from the mother.
- The fetus is alive but its life depends on the mother being alive.
- Morally, the mother, in principle, can decide when to end the life of the fetus if that is what she wants. The mother is a full member of society with rights and responsibilities. One fundamental right of a person is the right to live with dignity and protect his/her life. So, if the mother for some reason thinks that the fetus endangers her life (with dignity), she has the right to end the life of the fetus.
- Private prisons have great interest in profiting from prisoners. They lobby to make laws more draconian/punitive.
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