Pantera, Father of Jesus
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Jewish_Baker — 5 years ago(November 15, 2020 10:20 PM)
Tiberius Iulius Abdes Pantera (c. 22 BCE – CE 40) was a Roman soldier from Sidon. If that was his only claim to fame, nobody would care.
However, according to some non-mainstream historians, Pantera may possibly have been the father of Jesus. The "Jesus son of Pantera" hypothesis has been promoted by James Tabor, who defends it primarily on textual grounds.
Pantera would have been a young Roman soldier, located in Judaea, during the time of Jesus' conception. Certainly Roman soldiers would have been tempted to have sexual relations with local women with or without consent. They were men in the prime of life and were forbidden to marry until they were forty. Since Roman soldiers were tried by other soldiers, they may have been able to get away with serious crimes if those who tried them were sympathetic.
Pantera served in the army for 40 years under Tiberius. On discharge, he would have gotten citizenship from the Emperor and may have added the Emperor’s name to his own. Tiberius ruled from 14 CE to 37 CE. Pantera’s 40 years of service would therefore have started between 27 BCE and 4 BCE. As Pantera would probably have been about 18 when he enlisted, it means he was likely born between 45 BCE and 22 BCE. He could have been as old as 39 or as young as 16 at the time of Jesus’ conception in the summer of 6 BCE.
Pantera's tombstone tell us that he was from Sidonia, now called Sidon, which is slightly north of Judaea, which makes it more feasible for him to have had sex with Mary. Pantera's tombstone further tells us that he was a member of the First Cohort of Archers, which were originally based in Palestine. In 6 CE they moved to Dalmatia, and to the Rhine in 9 CE. Since Jesus' conception occurred roughly around 6 BCE, he was in the right region at the right time.
The Bible, if accepted as true, is believed, to offer support of the "Jesus son of Pantera" theory.
When Mary became pregnant with Jesus, she was engaged to Joseph, but not officially married to him. Joseph wanted to call off the marriage after he found out about the pregnancy, suggesting that he was suspicious of her. Matthew 1:18-19 states:
Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
So it seemes, Joseph was clearly informed about the circumstances. The next verse, Matthew 1:20-21, 24, states:
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. …. Then Joseph being raised from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
Luke 1:36-56 says that Mary spent three months of her pregnancy at the house of a relative named Elizabeth. It has been suggested that she made this visit to avoid the disgrace she would have faced in her own community.
In Mark 6:53, Jesus is in Gennesaret, but gets antsy. Mark 7:24 says:
And from thence he [Jesus] arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.
Here takes place the telling of a turning point in Jesus' mission to also include gentiles (non-jews). As a Syrophenician woman asks for a miracle regarding her spirit-possessed son in Mark 7:27:
But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
However, Jesus rewards the woman for her faith in him and grants her, her son's health. Mark 7:31 says:
And again, departing from the coasts of Tyre and Sidon, he [Jesus] came unto the sea of Galilee, through the midst of the coasts of Decapolis.
To walk from Tyre to Sidon is about 20 miles, which wouldn't have been a small trip in Jesus' lifetime. Yet Jesus did it twice. James Tabor advances the hypothesis that Jesus went to Sidon to say hello to his biological father, and tried to do so secretly. -
Jewish_Baker — 5 years ago(November 15, 2020 10:45 PM)
Technically, it's the Bible and various archaeological evidence that says Joseph got cucked by Pantera. But the Bible is full of **** anyway. It's common knowledge that "Virgin" Mary got gangbanged by the whole Roman army on several occasions. So it's really anybody's guess on who's the real father of Jesus the False Prophet.
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Hitler II — 5 years ago(November 17, 2020 12:22 PM)
That's pure blasphemy. Then you jews wonder why the holocaust happened. 500 years before the holocaust, Martin Luther used to visit jewish synagogues. There he heard something like this. So he wrote "on the jews and their lies" which led to the holocaust eventually.
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PoisonedDragon — 5 years ago(November 18, 2020 12:15 AM)
Jesus may have been the Essen 'teacher of righteousness
Unlikely, since Jesus is generally depicted as being quite lax and permissive in observance of Jewish laws. The Teacher of Righteousness is a severe and austere figure. Scrolls scholar Robert Eisenman has proposed across several books that James 'the brother of the Lord' is a better fit for this figure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Eisenman#James
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PoisonedDragon — 5 years ago(November 18, 2020 12:10 AM)
The "Jesus son of Pantera" hypothesis has been promoted by James Tabor, who defends it primarily on textual grounds… Tabor advances the hypothesis that Jesus went to Sidon to say hello to his biological father, and tried to do so secretly.
The priorities of modern apologists are often quite different from traditional ones. Some are now happy simply to bolster the claim that Jesus actually existed, since it's now being challenged. So it happens that one finds individuals like James Tabor advancing heterodox ideas like this one.
You should post your sources:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pantera
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