And it has been satan masquerading as “god” all along? A sort of divine troll, like AyeLewis.
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Macuahuitl — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 03:03 PM)
Riveting. Alternatively, the topic of who won is inconsequential. Good and Evil is ultimately a matter of perspective. Indulging in the pleasures of the flesh is only 'wrong' because that happens to fit the agenda of the entity we've elevated to arbiter. I have no idea what I'm talking about right now, nor ever.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 03:43 PM)
That's Gnosticism. The evil Demiurge created the physical world. You see, all this was already known two thousand years ago.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 04:14 PM)
Gnostics believe that the material world was created by a lesser deity which they call the Demiurge (literally "public craftsman").
The Demiurge is a hostile demonic force who creates the material world in order to trap the spiritual elements.
http://gnosis.org/library/valentinus/Demiurge.htm
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 05:34 PM)
Why? Lucifer got the world. He created everything. If god had created the universe it would be completely different.
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Vlad. — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 05:46 PM)
My scenario involves satan supplanting god in heaven. You said that is what Gnosticism is, now you’re saying that’s not the case and satan is resigned to ruling earth in the gnostic system.
That’s not to say that your contribution wasn’t interesting, it was. It’s just not the same situation. A god of this earth may run things here but it sounds like that entity would have limited power. What I’m thinking Is of a situation where the original deity is forced into serving a corrupted version of his own creation.
I suppose insofar as the Gnostics believe satan rules the earth and is able to exert influence over worldly affairs, the effect is more or less the same as it concerns humanity. In my scenario, the imperfect being satan is the new god and this is why the world is imperfect. In the gnostic system, satan is the god of this earth and the world is imperfect.
I’m pretty sure a lot of traditional Christian sects refer you Satan as the god of this world or the god of the air, implying his dominion is limited to the realm of the mortal and of the dammed; satan cannot exert power within heaven. Doesn’t really make the Gnostics seem all that special.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 05:57 PM)
But Gnosticism is the closest philosophy we have to your assertion. The end result is actually the same. So god is still fighting his battle with Satan. But Satan dominates. Satan even took Christ up on the hill and offered him all the riches of the world.
Gnosticism is unique because it says god is actually the devil, the demiurge.
So it shows you what would have happened if Satan had defeated god in the war in heaven.
Sure, it's different than your scenario, but not completely.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 06:06 PM)
Because the Demiurge created everything. Some Gnostics would do things like self mutilation to show they hated the devil's flesh. But those were only the real sickos.
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Platonic_Caveman — 5 years ago(May 04, 2020 06:12 PM)
I love the Gnostics. I'm a Gnostic and a dualist. This means I'm not a devil worshiper. But I love both sides and want a perfect union of good and evil.
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