Fifty Shades Darker
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 12:59 PM)
Which isn't what we are discussing but nice try.
You're that one that brought "softcore" into this discussion, which I had already SAID we weren't discussing. So now you agree we weren't discussing "softcore" but rather "pornography" which is generally short for "hardcore pornography?" You clearly don't understand the difference or you wouldn't have linked to the Wiki article in the first place.
Supplying a different definition doesn't refute the definition I provided.
You've provided like 4 different definitions throughout this thread, including ones that make the distinction between "explicit" or "open and direct" depictions of sex, which is what I was making because that's the factor that determines how/where certain films can be shown and rented. None of the definitions you've provided align with your original "any film that contains sex and nudity."
Maybe you should try reading the bible before you declare yourself an authority on it.
Nowhere did I declare myself an authority on it, but you're not exactly proving me wrong.
The film we're discussing has real naked women in it, pinhead.
Uhhh, no, it has
images
of real, naked women in it. You think a photograph of a woman is the same thing as the woman herself?
Stop trying to go off topic.
How is it going off topic? Part of the issue is whether or not pornography is sinful. You've yet to show anything in The Bible that argues it is because The Bible doesn't address pornography. Prove me wrong.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 01:44 PM)
You're that one that brought "softcore" into this discussion
Yes and it doesn't matter how the term came about it's still irrelevant and It's still pornography.
You've provided like 4 different definitions throughout this thread
The number doesn't matter. You still haven't refuted the main one I listed.
The Bible doesn't address pornography
We've been over this. The bible denounces lust, sins of the flesh, fornication and uncovering someone's nakedness. Which would make watching porn sinful.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 03:55 PM)
Yes and it doesn't matter how the term came about it's still irrelevant and It's still pornography.
It's not irrelevant if the "porn" label is only in relation to the (actual) porn that came before it. "Softcore 'porn'" is just "erotica," not actual porn. To deny the difference is sheer ignorance. When people say "porn" they aren't referring to stuff like Emmanuelle, they're referring to stuff like Bang Bros. There's plenty that's been written on the erotica/porn distinction. For one example:
http://www.sexualhealthsite.info/erotica-versus-pornography.php
You still haven't refuted the main one I listed.
Yes I have: it's entirely subjective. "Lewd" is subjective; figuring out what the makers intended is subjective (unless they've commented on it). If the makers of 50 Shades said they didn't intend for it to "arouse sexual interest" then that would make it not porn by your definition. The only objective definition you posted was the "open and direct" one, which is the same as the one I posted and the one I'd wager 99% of people mean when they say "porn."
The bible denounces lust, sins of the flesh, fornication and uncovering someone's nakedness.
The first three are in relation to real women, not images. You don't "fornicate" with anyone when you watch porn, and you certainly don't have to lust after anyone. You've yet to prove that "nakedness" itself is sinful.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 04:55 PM)
"Softcore 'porn'"
is porn.
Yes I have:
No you haven't.
Lewd" is subjective
WHen did I say differently?
The first three are in relation to real women, not images.
one of the dumbest statements ever said on this board. That's Goz level stupidity right there.
You don't "fornicate" with anyone when you watch porn,
So fornication is denounced by God but watching it is ok.
I'm going to start calling you Goz if you don't stop acting like her.
You've yet to prove that "nakedness" itself is sinful.
The bible says uncovering someone's nakedness is "wicked" Yes I know what your response will be "uncovering it is bad but looking at it is ok".
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:13 PM)
is porn.
No.
No you haven't.
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/265968182?d=265985704#265985704
WHen did I say differently?
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/265968182?d=265994728#265994728
one of the dumbest statements ever said on this board.
Prove me wrong.
So fornication is denounced by God but watching it is ok.
I don't see why not. Murder is a sin but do you consider it immoral to watch murder mysteries? Lying is a sin, but do you consider it immoral to watch movies with lying characters?
The bible says uncovering someone's nakedness is "wicked"
Book/Chapter/Verse?
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:20 PM)
No
You just called it porn shall I quote you again?
No you haven't.
No you haven't refuted my definition.
If it's subjective then the definition does not aid you in classifying any given work as porn.
WHen did I give anything besides my opinion? Oh right I didn't.
Prove me wrong.
Prove me wrong. The bible denounces all forms of sexual immorality/fornication/lust.
I don't see why not.
This is about what the bible says. Not your opinion of the bible. Thanks though.
Book/Chapter/Verse?
Google it.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:27 PM)
You just called it porn shall I quote you again?
So we can add "scare quotes" to the list of things Blade doesn't understand.
No you haven't refuted my definition.
Once I point out it's subjective and doesn't allow you to objectively classify anything as porn, there's nothing more that needs to be done. You also claimed the definition wasn't subjective here:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/265968182?d=265994728#265994728
Prove me wrong.
To prove you wrong I'd have to cite the entire Bible since my claim is that it doesn't denounce pornography. For you to prove me wrong you merely have to cite a quote that does. Burden's on you.
This is about what the bible says.
Right, and the Bible says nothing about pornography. Doing X is a sin =/= Watching a depiction of X is a sin.
Google it.
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TRUMP_Ftw — 9 years ago(February 15, 2017 05:37 PM)
Pornography
The representation in books, magazines, photographs, films, and other media of scenes of sexual behavior that are erotic or lewd and are designed to arouse sexual interest.
Here's the definition again you haven't refuted it.
For you to prove me wrong you merely have to cite a quote that does. Burden's on you.
I've done that. All forms of fornication/lust/and nakedness[except spousal] is denounced. Don't keep asking for proof when you got it.
Right, and the Bible says nothing about pornography.
How many times do you think you've repeated that strawman argument? Hmm.
Doing X is a sin =/= Watching a depiction of X is a sin.
Again you don't decide what is sinful for Christians the bible does.
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Eva_Yojimbo — 9 years ago(February 16, 2017 03:08 PM)
Here's the definition again you haven't refuted it.
I've now linked you to my refutation twice:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000108/nest/265968182?d=265985704#265985704
All forms of fornication/lust/and nakedness[except spousal] is denounced.
The fornication/lust are all in reference to real women in real life, not pornography. You've yet to provide the Bible quote against all nakedness.
Again you don't decide what is sinful for Christians the bible does.
And The Bible says nothing about watching depictions of sins being a sin. Is it also sinful to watch any film that shows a murder?
Rabbit
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