https://www.catholic.com/audio/cal/7866
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Miscella — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 05:50 PM)
I normally have no objections to following off topic tangents, but in this case, I'm just not all that interested. I listened to your call, and I've said what I wanted to say about it.
You wanted feedback, and I gave you some.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(February 05, 2017 10:15 PM)
I think you're particularly silly given how you see religious violence even when there isn't any to be seen. Remember all those threads you started then mysteriously disappeared from when it was pointed out to you that the tragedy you were blaming on religion didn't actually have anything to do with religion? I do. You remind me a lot of a friend of mine who took art classes in college. All of a sudden, all she saw was art. Everywhere. Even "negative" art in the spaces between the lines. She was obsessed and so that's all she saw. Just like you with "religious violence." You hear about a murder on the news, and you immediately jump to the conclusion that it's religion's fault. Get a grip, you delusional nutbag.
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Superdude6090 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 04:26 AM)
That's pretty harsh bro.
Since I consider ABR a troll and am sceptical that phone call is actually him I gave a trolling response.
The "mumbling stumbling f@ck " quote is a nod to Goodfellas and Joe Pesci dealing with the mentally challenged Spider:
I consider ABR to be like Spider.
My son has a speech impairment, always hurts to see how some people might treat him when he's older.
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AtheismBecauseReason — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 08:04 AM)
I agree that it was not detail heavy, but I did point out that aspects like gravity and time have values that approach infinity once gravity hits the level of a black hole or the singularity at the beginning of the universe. I tried repeating that as he seemed not to be understanding when I said time had no value at that point and was not the same sequence of events phenomenon that he repeated near the end. As such, we don't know that time had a "start" in the way he thinks a god would be required to start it.
What I do wish I had gotten into, was the concept that gravity acting on a void without matter can create energy, and you'll notice I did ask him for permission earlier in the conversation to explain just that. He was trying to keep the conversation on the concept of a "beginning of time" however and as it was his show I was doing him the favor of responding to his questions and not making it my own topic.
And of course I've read and listened to Sagan as well as many other sources. I said on the phone that I was not a professional cosmologist. I have no intention of projection credentials I do not have. He simply asked why I do not believe in a god, and the study of reality has never revealed a reason to accept that one is true. -
Cinemachinery — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 01:35 AM)
If that's you, cool on you for posting about it. They sort of kept you on the defensive the whole time with "what is proof/what would you accept/what is a good reason to believe" devices, but it was nice hearing it out.
"Experts say. Officials say. Scientists say. People aren't buying it so much anymore" - 'Bama -
AtheismBecauseReason — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 08:10 AM)
Thank you, and yes, I was letting them do their thing without trying to hard to force the conversation. You'll notice I did try to take the conversation is a more detailed direction twice and he redirected the conversation both times.
But, I was fine with that. It's his show, he was respectful and patient, and whether he is a published christian author or not, I wanted to take the opportunity to show that I have no reservation answering any question any theist might have.
There are several concepts I wish we would have gotten into and a few things I probably could have been a bit more clear on, but overall, I felt it went pretty well and I genuinely thank them for their time. -
AtheismBecauseReason — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 08:36 AM)
Did you even listen to the second half? I was gathering my thoughts on several sure, but saying I was struggling is a bit of an overstatement.
Also did you have a comment about the actual conversation?