If this doesn't convince you that hell is real, nothing will.
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senseibushido — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 10:38 AM)
You're right. He should have said: Christian apologists lie. Constantly, compulsively.
I don't think it's a good idea to claim that people like this were never really atheists (it's as dumb as members of one Christian sect claiming that other Christian sects aren't really Christians). But when someone is using stories like this as a tool to proselytize, I think that's even more suspect. The only thing worse is when a religious apologist claims to have converted/embarrassed an evil heathen atheist professor from a prestigious university who just happened to be sitting next to them on a plane/train. -
PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(January 20, 2017 09:47 PM)
That's a really unfair generalization to make.
No, it's really not. I could spend what's left of my life assembling and citing examples, and never run out of the supply.
Are there Christians who don't lie? Of course. The generalization speaks to the ones of whom it happens to be true, not of those of whom it is not.
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bubblegum_jenocide — 9 years ago(January 23, 2017 10:36 AM)
The generalization speaks to the ones of whom it happens to be true, not of those of whom it is not.
So what you're saying now is that lying Christians lie?
I can't disagree with that, but that's not what you said initially.Pidder Padder? Make my Heart go Boom Bap and Then We'll Talk!
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PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(January 24, 2017 03:22 AM)
So what you're saying now is that lying Christians lie?
I can't disagree with that, but that's not what you said initially.
It's not just what I'm saying 'now,' but the meaning of what I said 'then.' I've been clarifying this particular issue for years now, against grievance seekers crying about what they consider unfair generalizations. The generalization is only true of those who actually do what's described, never of those who do not. Those who do not shouldn't need a gold star or special recognition singling them out.
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Progressive-Element — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 04:42 AM)
Scared of what?
The most Christian of Christians I have met, well, let's just say your views on military matters, and Israel, would mark you out to them as a heathen, maybe even an apostate.
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 08:06 AM)
Ironic that given your history as a compulsive liar yourself, you're actually evidence in support of his claim.
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Melanie000 — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 04:30 PM)
, and I remember that he described himself as (like Nietzsche) hostile toward religion. PD may not like it, but that's what he said.
Yes, and that should be the end of the matter - who would know better?
Oh, PD knows better it seems !
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