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NoShirtNoShoesNoService — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 02:23 PM)
Wrong - atheists don't believe any god exists because there remains no credible evidence of any god's existence.
Where is your evidence that any god exists?
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aaahmemories — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 04:59 PM)
for Him to hate them would make no difference
ErmI don't think you understand how atheism works. We don't believe in a deity. We believe humans made up deity. Therefore, if there is hatred expressed, it wouldn't come from a non-existent deity but from those who made it up and who believe in it. And this is, in fact, what all too often happens. No damage has ever been done to any atheist by a deity. Plenty has been done to atheists by believers in deity. And often some pretty horrific damage.
So yes, that's "inconvenient," to say the least.
The Dumpster gives a whole new meaning to "red" states. -
rizdek — 9 years ago(January 17, 2017 04:38 PM)
Atheists don't
just
claim to not believe there is god. If one is an atheist then one really doesn't believe there is a god.
But, it's irrelevant what anyone believes. There either is or is not a god. IF there is a god and he hateswhoever, then that'd be inconvenient. If there isn't a god, then what we think about what a hypothetical god might hate or love is irrelevant.
But the post was about a god loving thus and so. And I'm not sure how that would be inconvenient. -
NoShirtNoShoesNoService — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 04:29 PM)
The inconvenient truth for you is that you have no evidence for any god.
Where is your credible evidence that any god exists?
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Jeremy12345 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 10:55 PM)
What is your evidence that God doesn't exist? To me there are several evidences of God. This whole earth and everything on it is evidence to me that there is a God. However, it is important to note that just because there is no empirical evidence to support something, that doesn't mean that something isn't true.
For example, pretend that there was a planet in another galaxy that has a special kind of elephant that naturally had bright pink skin. There is no way for us to obtain empirical data for something like that, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The thing about science is it has to be something testable and potentially falsifiable. Because we have no way of disproving that species of elephant, it does not fall into the realm of science.
Religion is not science because the knowledge and faith obtained in a religion is not obtained through the scientific method. That doesn't make it false, because scientifically it is impossible to really disprove God.
I believe there are different types of knowledge. There is scientific knowledge, there is spiritual knowledge, and I'm sure there are other categories of knowledge we could categorize but right now I want to focus on spiritual knowledge.
Spiritual knowledge is not obtained the same way as scientific knowledge. It does have similarities, like you should study the scriptures and words of the prophets. You should also experiment on those teachings by living after a like manner and seeing how it blesses your life. You can look at those results and make some conclusions. However, spiritual knowledge isn't really testable in a lab and ultimately relies on faith. The answers to questions also come in a different form. They don't come by means of empirical data. They come by means of spiritual impressions as you pray earnestly seeking for spiritual knowledge.
Now if you choose not to believe in God, that is fine. However you cannot dismiss the idea as false because it can't be empirically determined. I would invite you to seek for yourself spiritual knowledge as it has blessed my life tremendously. At the very least, be respectful to those who do believe. -
aaahmemories — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 11:07 PM)
you cannot dismiss the idea as false because it can't be empirically determined
Nice! So that means the fairies at the bottom of my garden are REAL! Thanx for that.
P.S. Did your mother have any children that lived???
The Dumpster gives a whole new meaning to "red" states. -
Jeremy12345 — 9 years ago(January 15, 2017 11:34 PM)
No that just means you can't really study that scientifically. I realize you are just trying to ridicule me here, because I believe you are the same person who disrespected my thoughts on another post. My point, though, is a knowledge of whether God exists or not cannot come by means of science. It comes by recognizing his influence on your life. I have truly felt and seen his influence in my life in so many ways that I cannot deny his existence and I know we have a loving God who is our Father and wants nothing but the best for us. I have felt that love and have seen his helping hand in my life countless times. As I pray to him, he had answered my prayers every single time. You don't have to believe me, but for your own benefit I do suggest that you pray to know of his existence and seek his influence in your life. I promise if you do so earnestly, you will come to know of God's existence and you will be blessed by his influence in your life. But I will tell you I am always willing to have a sincere discussion, but if you aren't willing to be respectful then I will place you on ignore and I will no longer respond to your posts
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Isapop — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 04:05 AM)
I have felt that love and have seen his helping hand in my life countless times. As I pray to him, he had answered my prayers every single time.
I expect there are Muslims who would say the same about the God they worship. Are they right to take their own "answered prayers" as proof of existence of the god they worship? -
aaahmemories — 9 years ago(January 16, 2017 06:52 AM)
the same person who disrespected my thoughts
Thoughts like that don't merit respect.
I have truly felt and seen his influence in my life
This is commonly known as confirmation bias.
I do suggest that you pray to know of his existence
Which deity would this be? There are so many.
I will place you on ignore
Ah. A coward, too.
I will no longer respond to your posts
But I'll respond to yours. And others will see my responses. But not yours, since you won't have any.
The Dumpster gives a whole new meaning to "red" states. -
rizdek — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 09:05 AM)
I have truly felt and seen his influence in my life in so many ways that I cannot deny his existence
What can't this be studied scientifically? If the effects were real, and you were actually able to rule out other plausible causes, then why can't it be studied scientifically.
What do you think "scientifically" means in the broader sense? Scientifically means observing things, attempting to interpret and explain, re-observing/observing further, testing where possible and refining explanations. Now why can't that be applied to whatever you think happened that suggests there is a god? -
Jeremy12345 — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 09:30 AM)
while the influence of God in my life is very real. The effects of God in ones life aren't necessarily a tangible piece of evidence that one can study in a lab. In order to study things scientifically, things have to be testable and potentially falsifiable. There is no way to prove one way or another in a lab whether or not God exists. You may be able to use some of the basic principles of the scientific method. However the answers that come from God aren't something that you can retrieve empirical data for
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Jeremy12345 — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 12:35 PM)
Like I said, the effects of God in my life have been through various experiences of my life. I have had experiences, feelings, etc. that you can't just bottle up and run some tests in the lab. If I had an experience previously, there is no way to falsify whether or not that experience happened in the lab. I can't define exactly what happened, because it is a combination of several countless experience that create my firm belief in God today. Those experiences are sometimes impossible to describe in words, and in some cases are too sacred to even attempt.
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rizdek — 9 years ago(January 18, 2017 05:57 PM)
But why assume there is no way to falsify? How do you know? Did someone tell you it wasn't falsifiable. Have you tried?
Falsification isn't just something folks in white lab coats, we should always seek to check our beliefs to see if they might be false. It's how we make sure we aren't believing nonsense.
