No, I'm assuming that for the sake of argument.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 04:36 PM)
It's all under the same umbrella. Either most (if not all) Catholics believe the Pope has the power to bless scarves and glasses of water and make them holy, or they don't. Taking issue with the method, be it by touch or the wave of his hand, is the red herring here.
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Blade_TillTheEnd — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 04:38 PM)
Do you understand the difference between blessing something and worshipping it? Because the Pope blesses something doesn't back up your argument that Catholics worship that item, moron.
That's a rhetorical question.
I have no interest in refraining from my dishonesty and stupidity.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 05:00 PM)
One Catholic who worships a glass of water from which the Pope sipped, another who worships a scarf he touched, and large masses of people gathered around the Pope hoping to have something blessed by him (either by touch or by the wave of his hand) is more than enough to refute your assertion that Catholics don't worship the Pope nor do they worship what he touches.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 05:08 PM)
No, I really do take a lot of issues with the Catholic church, and one of my biggest gripes is the whole chain of command thing.
I really do believe there is only one who bridges the gap between Man and God, and that's Jesus Christ Himself.
I really don't kneel before any man in a big hat, and I really don't worship the things he blesses, either by touch or a wave of his hand.
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 02:46 PM)
I always thought of catholics as not only christians but as the default version of christians. I was like 10 before I even started to realise there were other types of christian, and I thought they were like some weird offshoot of catholics.
It was only maybe ten years ago that I encountered the whole "catholics aren't christians" meme. It struck me as a very bizarre thing for people to believe, but it actually seems quite common on the net. Mostly from fundy types trying to big up their version, or such is my impression.
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Miscella — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 03:56 PM)
I always thought of catholics as not only christians but as the default version of christians. I was like 10 before I even started to realise there were other types of christian, and I thought they were like some weird offshoot of catholics.
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graham-167 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 04:22 PM)
No I didn't tell you that.
My family were nominally catholic when I was born. They never paid much attention to it, and dropped it completely when I was maybe five years old.
As far as religion is concerned, I wasn't really raised anything at all. Thankfully.
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CODY_Jarrett_jr — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 02:53 PM)
I personally classify Catholics as Christian and think the sincere ones will be saved.
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lennys_here — 9 years ago(December 31, 2016 06:58 AM)
There is no question about the corruption that was and is in the RCC. Any organization is corrupted in some way. It doesn't take from the core principles of the faith.
Did your account get nuked?
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bastasch8647 — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 05:11 PM)
Yes, Catholics are Christians. I know because I spent the first 28 years of my life as a devout, practicing Catholic.
I look at it like this: there are Baptist Christians, Presbyterian Christians, Methodist Christians, Eastern/Russian/Orthodox Christians, and there are Catholic Christians. The earliest extant documents of the Patristics, church historians and heresiologists witness to, if not Catholicism, then a form of proto-Catholicism. The Church was seen as the arbiter of biblical issues; some notion of the Real Presence in the Eucharist was believed in - and there were as yet no "Protestant" debates or objections to that doctrine; the priesthood as a ministerial class existed very early, simultaneous with the belief that all Christians served in a priestly role - etc. As the Catholic apologists point out, there is nothing in the Bible itself that declares it open to private interpretation, or that a sinner is saved by faith in Christ only; nor does the Bible state that only the individual is saved - as with the covenanted people of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, so too for the Catholic Christian, salvation is also a corporate matter - a matter of a community being saved as "God's people" as a whole.
I have found that objections to Catholicism, especially from fundamentalists and "Bible church" members, are 95% based on misconceptions and even willful ignorance (i.e., Catholics worship Mary and the Saints, Catholicism is a "works religion, etc.). You know - the kind of cowflop that was spewed by the late Jack Chick.
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coachdobbs — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 05:15 PM)
As the Catholic apologists point out, there is nothing in the Bible itself that declares it open to private interpretation, or that a sinner is saved by faith in Christ only; nor does the Bible state that only the individual is saved - as with the covenanted people of Israel in the Hebrew Bible, so too for the Catholic Christian, salvation is also a corporate matter - a matter of a community being saved as "God's people" as a whole.
That's true. Except for everything in the Bible that completely contradicts that
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gottaluvafriend — 9 years ago(December 30, 2016 06:45 PM)
Christians are those who obey Jesus' commands. Jesus said "judge not lest you be judged". So-called religions tend to encourage people to segregate others from themselves as enemies do, but Jesus said to "love your enemies" and "them that hate you, bless them that curse you, and pray for them that despitefully use you."
In their zeal but ignorance many Christians presume that Christians of a different denomination from theirs are mislead. The differences between denominations are in terms of ritual (which matters little to God, IMHO) and relatively minor doctrinal issues. The main Christian doctrine is that a person is a Christian who believes that Jesus Christ the Only Begotten Son of God died for him/her and that He was raised from the dead to rule the Universe, and then that person tells others what s/he believes.
The birth of denominations and the enmity between the Catholic church and future Christian churches was when Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic church due to his conviction that the church was misleading its members by teaching unbiblical doctrine. Hence, Protestants' ongoing, and unfair, bias concerning Catholics.
I wish your relative had not said what he said to your mom since I believe it untrue.
