Jesus Christ = Liar, Lunatic, or Lord?
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LostKiera — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 08:38 AM)
These are specific mentions of it, examples of postdiction or vaticinium ex eventu, where the authors describe an event in hindsight under the pretense of "prophecy," in order to awe readers about its accuracy.
I suppose an issue with that is Christians can argue it was genuine prophecy. It's only an obvious postdiction if we presume Jesus was not capable of prophecy. -
PoisonedDragon — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 09:13 AM)
I suppose an issue with that is Christians can argue it was genuine prophecy. It's only an obvious postdiction if we presume Jesus was not capable of prophecy.
Postdiction is a common literary trope throughout the bible.
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Culfy — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 04:13 AM)
Which is my point exactly. The trilema was designed not as a proof of Jesus's divinity but as a way of debunking those who say 'I believe in Jesus as a great moral teacher'
If you want to start saying all the 'God' bits in the New Testament were just made up and the real Jesus was totally different then I'd like to see what your evidence is.
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vernuf — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:12 AM)
If you want to start saying all the 'God' bits in the New Testament were just made up and the real Jesus was totally different then I'd like to see what your evidence is.
Yeah, no. If you're going to say the Bible is true, it's up to
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vernuf — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 07:34 AM)
I'm not saying the bible is true though. I'm saying making specific claims about Jesus requires evidence
If you say it's up to me to prove the Bible is wrong simply for not agreeing and that that is a claim about Jesus, then, yes, you are saying the Bible is true by default. -
vernuf — 9 years ago(December 29, 2016 08:06 AM)
but then since the gospel writers are our only real source of what Jesus actually said or did then you can't really argue anything factual about him if you start arbitrarily rejecting bits.
You know, we can look back at the words you said.