I know, brah! And vice versa!
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TheBookBears — 5 years ago(August 11, 2020 01:12 AM)
It depends, really. I heard doing them at 3 am at the places with history of death is the best time to do it.
I hope a bear throw a book at you, moon at you, and do a tap dance wearing a thong and leather boots. -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 04:19 AM)
Feel the need to be assholes to those who do? I'm myself a sceptical (I never experienced it myself), but I don't feel the need to be vile to people who say they went through paranormal experiences. I don't say that ghost exist or don't exist since we can't prove neither.
Unless you have had a direct, first-hand encounter, if you're normal, you'll think that anyone sharing their paranormal encounter is B.S.ing you, so they reply in kind.
I see a long line of "you have blocked this user" to whom you've replied appropriately, so it confirms I should keep her/it blocked.
For some, they feel their own personal beliefs threatened, so they attack because they convince themselves that you're B.Sing them. Others might be jealous that it's never happened to them, attacks again.
The bottom line: online, you don't know the person you're talking to. If you were to share some of the stuff that's pretty out there, they'd feel their intelligence insulted when all along you might be sharing the truth, so they insult you right back.
Even for someone who has experienced poltergeist, ghosts or whatever, to hear another's account… you STILL don't know if you're being pranked (a typical troll response: "haha I had you going, you're so stupid") or if you're reading what really happened to them, since say you've witnessed similar weird stuff. So the average mind responds with attacks right back.
And some people are just mentally ill (drugs or through no fault of their own: mental illness or prescribed medication side effects etc.) so those are sharing their hallucinations. And maybe some people are tired of dealing with druggies and respond by attacking you, thinking you're sharing a hallucination.
All this is no different than having different religious beliefs (
"your belief threatens my belief therefore I attack you so my imaginary friend in the sky is the real one, so I haven't wasted my life believing in fairy tales"
) or different political beliefs etc. It sucks but that's the way it is. You can't try to convince someone else of what you know, it's pointless. -
TaRaNRoD — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 04:47 AM)
Unless you have had a direct, first-hand encounter, if you're normal, you'll think that anyone sharing their paranormal encounter is B.S.ing you, so they reply in kind.
That's the thing, NO, I don't automatically think that the person is bullshiting me. Of course, many obviously do because they simply seek the attention. But I've spoken with some people who legitimately seemed like they experienced some weird ****. In many cases, not only they didn't seem like people who are lying about it, I even went as far as to not see any point for them to lie about it anyway.
I know this is like a REALLY odd and unique case, and that an exception doesn't prove without any doubt anything, but let's not forget one fact: there is still ONE case in Europe which after all the police investigation, is officially classed as "paranormal". If you've seen the Netflix's movie Verónica, it's based on the said case.
All this is no different than having different religious beliefs ("your belief threatens my belief therefore I attack you so my imaginary friend in the sky is the real one, so I haven't wasted my life believing in fairy tales")
Yeah, this is for me another grey zone. On one hand, I'm not a believer so I don't associate myself with any religion; on another hand, I can't prove that god doesn't exist, so I don't say "god doesn't exist" because I feel like it's a gratuitous provocation. I have no problem with people following a religion, as long as they don't use it as an excuse to be bigoted assholes.
But you point out exactly my main issue with it: every religion has a different god and different values. So what happens with that is that religions tend to disagree with each others and this creates conflicts. I don't think that something that was written by people who built the religion should be used as a guideline and a reason to creat conflicts/wars.
Another huge problem I have with this: I've christians promoting their beliefs and totally dismiss and bash other religions. I remember a christian fanatic who was all going about how muslims have a stupid religion, how their beliefs made no sense and blah blah blah. The problem is that christianity, by this logic, makes just as little sense.
different political beliefs
Okay, yeah, this, I'm not even going there. Enough people already do a more than excellent job of showing how stupid, close-minded and intolerant they can be when they have a particular political beliefs and totally dismiss the opposite.
"You're a disease, and I'm the cure!" - Marion "Cobra" Cobretti -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 04:58 AM)
Oh sorry, it was corporate you, when I said "If you haven't experienced the paranormal", I'm explaining the state of mind of someone who hasn't. After all, THAT was my state of mind until a few years ago. You see, I may not have Netflix, but I don't need a show to prove it to me: I lived it. And that's all I'll say about that because it was the craziest thing ever. I couldn't blame someone for not believing if I were to tell. It took me years to tell friends, and then I found one who had grown up with "ghosts". And he's atheist, LOL!
On YT, I read comments, this one girl was claiming she was getting raped on a near daily basis by demons. What do you say to something like that? You can't. As I illustrated above, it could be stuff I don't know nothing about or it could be any thing (drugs, delusions, meds side effects, or just trolling). -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:03 AM)
I see you've appended to your message. Before I read, what I was going to add: I have the Travel Channel on. Turn it on now if you get it: this woman is claiming that a spirit in her house was taking her form. That's stuff directly out of Charmed or any fantasy show like that. What do you do if it were to REALLY happen to you?
A few years ago, I'd have insulted the poster for asking me such an idiotic/troll question. Today, I know better: I know there's stuff I don't know nothing about and don't care to know more. I never encountered a "spirit who can take my shape" that I know of, but knowing what I lived thru, who am I to judge another's experience? All I know is: I can't and won't judge it as nutcases anymore. -
TaRaNRoD — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:12 AM)
A few years ago, I'd have insulted the poster for asking me such an idiotic/troll question. Today, I know better: I know there's stuff I don't know nothing about and don't care to know more. I never encountered a "spirit who can take my shape" that I know of, but knowing what I lived thru, who am I to judge another's experience? All I know is: I can't and won't judge it as nutcases anymore.
Same here. But, afterall, we change as we grow older since we learn from our mistakes and get new knowledges. For instance: in my early teens, I usd to be homophobic. I realized it was simply pure ignorance because by hanging with homosexuals, I realized that they are people like everyone. I'd even say that some of them were more open-minded and it was more pleasant to talk with them than with most straight people. So yeah, this is how life works.
"You're a disease, and I'm the cure!" - Marion "Cobra" Cobretti -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:19 AM)
You are lucky. Though my experience with "them" iRL has been rather positive (they were opposite gender than my biological one), the ones I've been unfortunate to deal with after online were quite aggressive. Therefore, I don't hold such kindly views about them any longer. However that's online. I find that my personality online is often different that iRL. Someone is nice to me, I'm nice to them. Wait, I guess that's everybody. I mean online I might side against but IRL I really don't judge. It's just online they've really been assholes and bullies so I'm rather quick to dish out a heaping of that. Lingering resentment, I suppose.
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TaRaNRoD — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:26 AM)
the ones I've been unfortunate to deal with after online were quite aggressive.
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It's just online they've really been assholes and bullies so I'm rather quick to dish out a heaping of that. Lingering resentment, I suppose.
Well, lol, that's a classic, and it's not exceptionally the case for homosexuals. This is just the way of Internet. I remember a study which analyzed this phenomenon. I won't go deeply into the details but if I had to summarize it quickly: the fact of being anonymous on Internet tend to creat ****tards, or more precisely, this "****tard attitude ". So people simply **** on everything, insult everyone and are overall very vile. So, no surprise here lol.
Yeah I myself had a few unpleasant encounters with homosexuals on the Internet. But they are not representative of the community and give them a really bad name lol.
"You're a disease, and I'm the cure!" - Marion "Cobra" Cobretti -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:12 AM)
Yeah, this is for me another grey zone. On one hand, I'm not a believer so I don't associate myself with any religion; on another hand, I can't prove that god doesn't exist, so I don't say "god doesn't exist" because I feel like it's a gratuitous provocation. I have no problem with people following a religion, as long as they don't use as an excuse to be bigoted assholes.
^^This.
Before I move on to your other quotes, I'm politically independent. I currently lean a lot different than I did 4 years ago. I can't really commit to a party because I have overlapping beliefs, a little of this one, a little of that. I know the one that is currently not aligned with my beliefs but I don't get in others faces if they won't get in mine. (Though sometimes it's fun to yank their chain!)
But you point out exactly my main issue with it: every religion has a different god and different values. So what happens with that is that religions tend to disagree with each others and this creates conflicts. I don't think that something that was written by people who built the religion should be used as a guideline and a reason to creat conflicts/wars.
You know what? I've come to be open to the alternative that, quite possibly, there are many alternate realities overlapping. If you're born in a Muslim country, you're meant to adhere to that. What I have a HUGE problem with is them going to Europe and building mosques etc. No. Keep it at home. You come here (wherever here is) you have to mold yourself to the customs, not the other way around. The same, I oppose Christians who have destroyed pagan civilizations, from the Andes to Polynesia and anywhere in between! Just because some Christians believe in MLM religions, like the door-knockers: unless you convert the masses you won't get enough brownie points to play the next level and "enter the kingdom of God" (barfs) -
TaRaNRoD — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:24 AM)
(1) What I have a HUGE problem with is them going to Europe and building mosques etc. No. Keep it at home. (2) You come here (wherever here is) you have to mold yourself to the customs, not the other way around.
I see your point and respect your opinion, but for me this is two different things (I numbered them in the quote).
(1) - I have no problem with them building mosques or whateven they need to practice their religion. As long as it stays behind the walls, I have no opposition.
(2) - This, on another hand, I totally agree. If you moved from your country, you have to accept that things are gonna be different. Practice your religion in the cult place, but leave and accept the outside world as it is.
I remember the case of a religious group (can't recall which one exactly and I'm too lasy to do research lol) who managed to have this big Christmas tree banned from a public place in Belgium because it ws apparently offensive for their religion. THIS is completely ridiculous. It's an old tradition which was very important for belgian people. If you are not happy, just don't go see it, but being a crybaby about it is really stupid.
"You're a disease, and I'm the cure!" - Marion "Cobra" Cobretti -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:35 AM)
There you go:
I remember the case of a religious group (can't recall which one exactly and I'm too lasy to do research lol) who managed to have this big Christmas tree banned from a public place in Belgium because it ws apparently offensive for their religion. THIS is completely ridiculous. It's an old tradition which was very important for belgian people. If you are not happy, just don't go see it, but being a crybaby about it is really stupid.
It's a classic case of "give an inch, they take a mile!" No. This cannot happen anymore.
(2) - This, on another hand, I totally agree. If you moved from your country, you have to accept that things are gonna be different. Practice your religion in the cult place, but leave and accept the outside world as it is.
When you build a mosque – a complete eyesore – you are no longer "leaving the outside as you found it". I do not want to visit Vegas and find the Eiffel Tower, yet there it is! The same, I don't want to visit Paris and find a mosque.
When I visited Epcot Center, I didn't go to Morocco expecting to see bodegas and eat taquitos con carne, I wanted weird doors with the pointy shape and pillows on the floor, that's what I got. The same I didn't want to go to a Parisian bakery and buy shish-kabob, I wanted eclairs au chocolat, and that's what I got.
Equally, I don't want to see a blue eye blonde win Miss Bermuda or Miss Namibia, and vice versa when it comes to Miss Sweden. Visit. Good. Stay. Ok but keep everything in its place. Otherwise, we have a problem. If that offends someone, then they need to quit doing drugs. -
Stomp it. — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:40 AM)
What I have a HUGE problem with is them going to Europe and building mosques etc. No. Keep it at home. You come here (wherever here is) you have to mold yourself to the customs, not the other way around.
If the following is true, it is exactly what you are talking about and it is heinous and scary imo. -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 05:44 AM)
Yes, what's happening in UK is frightening! And there's still idiots who deny there's sharia law in UK. It's all over there, their courts have full power. Wait until they take over normal courts: it's only a matter of time. How would THEY like it, if we went over there and took over THEIR "normal" courts and they had to abide by our laws, have burqas and hijabs etc banned and women in thongs down the streets?! What's good for the goose!
4 million muslims anywhere outside a muslim country is WAY TOO MANY! Some claim there's no turning back.
Did you know that Qatar owns some 75% of London?? (I forget the percentage). They're the ones generating the Europe havoc. -
Ophiuchus9 — 5 years ago(August 22, 2020 12:06 PM)
How could the Royal Family allow this to occur?
I read something cos they're serpents or lizards who want Gulf money and destroy their own people cos they eat them with ketchup I mean with vinegar [shrugs]
Sorry, my bad.