He's right, you found one example of a "Trump supporter" being violent and compared it the riots we've seen since Trump
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Beardy_McJewsenheimer_CPA — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 05:55 AM)
Yup, burning crudely made stick figures and holding distasteful signs is totally comparable to domestic terrorism, including( but totally not limited too): rioting, destroying stores, destroying traffic lights and road sings, punching dudes, pepper spraying women and then kicking them in the ribs, etc
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klawrencio — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:45 AM)
I'm not condoning what's going on here, it's stupid. But to simply call that form of hateful rhetoric from 2008 and 2012 merely "distatseful" is rather disingenuous. Farting at the dinner table is distasteful. Re-enacting KKK rallies, hanging an Obama likeness from a tree, lighting it on fire and condemning him as a Muslim/Kenyan terrorist is something else entirely. You make it sound like the far right sat around after those elections holding hands and singing kumbaya.
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Beardy_McJewsenheimer_CPA — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:10 AM)
Whether you like it or not, and I don't, those examples are expression of free speech. So basically you responded to a thread about his friend getting assaulted and put in the hospital and about domestic terrorists rioting and assaulting women with "Yeah, but Republicans exercised Free Speech!"
You make it sound like the far right sat around after those elections holding hands and singing kumbaya.
No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that exercises in Free Speech, even disgusting free speech, is nowhere near the same as what these liberals are doing in Berkley and have done many other times. I invite you to find me anything where Republicans did anything that comes even remotely close to the pure evil and violence that went on in Berkley 2 nights ago. Hell, I'll even take a gathering where they were just throwing rocks at cops, which has pretty much become a staple at these Left Wing riots. In fact, when all they do is throw rocks at cops, that's considered them on their best behavior
It's also worth pointing out that these tolerant, accepting liberals rioted to prevent a gay, Jewish, immigrant from speaking his mind.
Farting at the dinner table is distasteful
Well, this certainly explains my lightly attended dinner parties
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klawrencio — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:19 AM)
No, that's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that exercises in Free Speech, even disgusting free speech, is nowhere near the same as what these liberals are doing in Berkley and have done many other times. I invite you to find me anything where Republicans did anything that comes even remotely close to the pure evil and violence that went on in Berkley 2 nights ago. Hell, I'll even take a gathering where they were just throwing rocks at cops, which has pretty much become a staple at these Left Wing riots. In fact, when all they do is throw rocks at cops, that's considered them on their best behavior
Can't really argue there, although I'd argue that "evil" extends to their chosen manner of exercising their free speech, which for many conjures up some pretty terrible images of some of the worst atrocities committed by this very nation. But the violence is stupid, I'll grant you. One can protest Obama for a host of reasons, but they were protesting him back then because rush limbaugh said he was a Muslim Kenyan, or whatever it was. -
jimanchower — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:11 AM)
You're full of sh it Klaw. We've seen multiple full on riots since Trump has been elected.
Show me something comparable to Berkeley from when Obama was elected. Don't talk about "effigies" or "re-enacting KKK" rallies, that's a load of sh it.
Show us an example of "protestors" setting things on fire, rioting, attacking people etc. we've seen this multiple times.including Berkeleysince Trump won the election.
Protesting a leader is not the same thing as rioting. At all. When Obama was elected people weren't running around smashing things, burning things, attacking people, etc.
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klawrencio — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:24 AM)
We've seen multiple full on riots since Trump has been elected.
I never said otherwise.
Show me something comparable to Berkeley from when Obama was elected.
I never suggested such a thing happened.
Don't talk about "effigies" or "re-enacting KKK" rallies, that's a load of sh it.
Well, those things happened. Why would one ignore them? Because it doesn't suit what you're saying? Fair enough. But what happened in 2008 and 2012 were disgusting displays when you consider the historic significance of those images coupled with the fact that they happened immediately in the wake of this country's first black president.
Protesting a leader is not the same thing as rioting. At all. When Obama was elected people weren't running around smashing things, burning things, attacking people, etc.
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jimanchower — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:36 AM)
Klawyou compared a few idiots to multiple violent and destructive riots. You absolutely did that.
You talk about "effigies" or "KKK reenactments" as if that was happenening everywhere? For oneevery leader ever has had effigies made of them.that has nothing to do with race..for two there absolutely was not a bunch of people "reneacting KKK rallies". That didn't happen. It was a huge outrage when someone held up a stuffed Curious George at a Republican rally. Remember that?
And for you to bring it up to defend stuff like what happened in Berkeley is absurd.
You're full of sh it.
There are 330 million peopl in this country and you can find crazy or violent people of every political background. What you won't find is anything remotely comparable to what we're seeing now done by the "Right" after Obama won the election.
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klawrencio — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:45 AM)
Klawyou
compared
a few idiots to multiple violent and destructive riots. You absolutely did that.
And for you to bring it up to
defend
stuff like what happened in Berkeley is absurd.
As I thought, you have no idea what I'm actually saying and you're arguing against something I'm not doing.
that has nothing to do with race
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Beardy_McJewsenheimer_CPA — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:53 AM)
But he's right. Every president has been burned in effigy. I'm guessing Dubya was probably burned more times than Obama. They were burning him in effigy on his 2nd inauguration route. But all of a sudden it's racist when it happens with Obama when it has happened with every other guy before him? What you're saying is racist because it indirectly( or maybe directly) suggest that we need to act differently and treat a black president differently because he's black.
I mean, those few signs with the N-word, I can't help and think that perhaps race might have played a factor. But the burning presidents in effigy is essentially a time honored tradition, black guy or not
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jimanchower — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:05 AM)
I didn't say signs with racial slurs weren't "racial". Klaw just can't read. I said every political leader ever has had effigies made of them and that's not racist.
As far as "signs that said ni gger" again.that was a few racist idiots. With 330 million people in a country you can find examples of anything. That doesn't mean it's a huge movement or a popular thing.
We've seen protesting and rioting since Trump won. This riot happened because of a speaker! What is going on in colleges where a gay Trump supporter speaking is something to riot over? That's insane.
My point is we absolutely did not see anything like this after Obama won. That simply did not happen and people trying to claim it did or make moral comparisons is absurd.
A few racist signs is not in any way comparable to the rioting and violence we're seeing. Not even in the same ballpark. And those racist views weren't mainstream. They weren't defended or spun by the media like these riots and protests have been. -
jimanchower — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:56 AM)
"I mean, people were burning effigies of Obama in the streets, holding up signs that read n!gger president. You can't accuse the other side of being hypocrites while ignoring what happened when the shoe was on the other foot."
Yeah, I have no idea what you're actually saying.
And who was holding up signs saying we had a "nig. Ger" President Klaw? Was that a widespread thing? Or was it just a few nuts?
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klawrencio — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:57 AM)
Yeah, I have no idea what you're actually saying.
You don't. If you did, you wouldn't be taking the approach that you are.
And who was holding up signs saying we had a "nig. Ger" President Klaw? Was that a widespread thing? Or was it just a few nuts?
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jimanchower — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 08:11 AM)
Yeah it is a great question Klaw as evidenced by you running from it. Whites voted for Obama in huge numbers in both elections. In 2008 Obama won Indiana lol.red state home of the KKK, right? Boy, the racism Obama faced was really something huh? Being elected twice like that?
Was there some big movement of people running around with signs that said "ni gger" on them and I just missed it? There must have been.you brought it up after all to defend what's going on today. -
Xeliou66 — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 06:44 AM)
Beardy has been epically owned on this thread. Both sides have some violent loons on them, but Beardy is acting like all violent protestors are liberal and anti Trump, ignoring the fact that numerous Trump supporters have committed violence, that Trump promoted violence during the campaign, and that the alt right promotes violence with their repeated intolerant and ignorant statements.
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Beardy_McJewsenheimer_CPA — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:17 AM)
Beardy has been epically owned on this thread
Wait, what? What thread have you been reading? You wanna see "epically owned" just read my response to you in this very thread. I might as well cut off half your foot and call you Kunta Kinta, cause you belong to me after that you little insignificant $hit. I don't care what Lincoln says, you are now my property
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Rey_Kahuka — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:52 AM)
We elected a black Democrat for President twice, and I don't remember this kind of violent stuff happening thenjust saying.
The Democrat didn't run on hate. Honestly I'm not sure what we would've seen in Trump lost, considering some of his supporters were threatening 'civil war.'
I'm also curious as to the circumstances behind the altercation, as in who instigated it. Either way it's ridiculous when protests erupt into violence, but it's almost inevitable when you have an emotionally charged crowd an inch away from mob mentality kicking in. It's sad that it came down to that.
Even if he's the one who instigated it (and I'm not saying he is), I hope your friend isn't too badly hurt.
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jimanchower — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 07:17 AM)
YeahI didn't vote for Trump but I understood his appeal until I saw this:
There's just no excusing that kind of racism towards illegals anymore. For Trump to come out and attack undocumented workers like that is reprehensible. If you're for basic human rights and dignity I don't know how you could support someone who says things like that.
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My_Pot_Drank_My_Granny — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:52 AM)
Worst part is he got beat on by a bunch of hippies I think everyone needs at least one good ass-whoopin in life to give them some perspective, but no one wants to lose to hippies.
Had a buddy in school who got the sh't beat out if him by a kid with 1 hand. That'll humble ya real quick.Sex with animals? There's no time, man!
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VVMini — 9 years ago(February 03, 2017 04:59 AM)
I've never understood the use of violence as any means of protest - not in the Western world anyway. It can only backfire and weaken your position, and make the opposition feel vindicated in their use of whatever it is you are protesting. Either these protesters are extremely dumb with emotional and anger issues, or they just used the protest as an excuse to bash people's head in, and hope they get away with it because it is supposed to be a 'resistance'. Either way, it's retarded as fúck.
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