Bryce Harper wants 10yrs/$400 mil
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 06:56 AM)
I hope they or some other NL team (preferably in the NL Central) gives him the money. Although, I wouldn't mind the Yankees or Boston giving him the money either.
I love watching teams do that stupid sh!t and then take it up the azz for a decade or so because of their stupidity.
While I would have liked to have seen Pujols stay with the Cardinals, I didn't want to see it at the amount he was asking. -
Krypteia1 — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 09:01 PM)
The Yankees are
not
going to give him that money. There's no more George Steinbrenner to override Cashman anymore.
And if he wants that money, he'd better hit better than .243
"When I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof!" - Lord Trump -
Krypteia1 — 9 years ago(December 08, 2016 11:50 AM)
Huh? I don't like throwing $17 million at a closer, but prices have gone up, the market is competitive, and it's a 5-year deal for a guy who is 28 years old, has been durable, and is a proven multi-inning guy when the situation calls for it.
I think they feel like they need a legit closer since Betances has not done well in that role. Also, the way the team is set up, they're gonna need guys to protect leads when they get them. It looks like this is going to be another very home-run dependent team, with Sanchez, Bird and the other young guys coming up who have power.
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 05:46 AM)
Closers are over-rated. The person who decided to give a save for having the tying run ON-DECK needs to be kicked in the nuts, as does the guy who came up with a "quality start" being 6 innings of 3 run ball - a 4.50 ERA.
Take away the "on-deck" cr*p and guys will have 20 saves per year. Plus, we see it time and time again that the closer coming in to face the 6-7-8 hitters in the bottom of the 9th with a 2 run lead isn't the key time in the game. It is in the 7th when #5 hitter is up with one out, runners on 1st and 3rd, down by 1 run, and the pitcher gets him to hit into a double-play.
Yeah, it's great to have a pitch the 9th and not allow the other team to get on base and mount a threat. But it isn't worth that much. All it takes is one elbow tweak and he's gone for a season and a half.
I also don't like giving a guy like Harper as much money as he wants, but if he gets hurt he'll probably have some value still. As in, if he can't run like he used to, he can play 1st or send him to the AL and let him be a DH.
Once Chapman's elbow/shoulder goes, you are paying top money for a lefty-specialist. -
Krypteia1 — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 01:23 AM)
For the sake of the Phillies, I hope they don't. The success of recent WS winners shows teams can do it with balance, while teams that dump huge amounts of money into one guy (Miami with Stanton, the Angels with Pujols, etc) have struggled mightily.
The Phillies just got out from under that abysmal Ryan Howard contract. They should play it safe now and be patient.
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jharmon64 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:18 AM)
So tell me how this works. I see he's under contract through 2018.
Can you pay him an new contract starting NOW (2017 season) and trash the old one?
Because I'd do it, so he's out from under your payroll at 34/35 instead of 36/37.
400 million is cheaper now than the 425-440 he'll get in a couple more years.
Relax, all right? My old man is a TV repairman, he's got this ultimate set of tools. I can fix it! -
catch_the_spindrift — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:24 AM)
If I am remembering correctly, MLB contracts are guaranteed, so his current contract needs to be honored.
The Nationals will probably end up trading him before the contract runs out, just to get something for him.
"No tellin' who's sellin' out, power buildin' the nation so" -
jharmon64 — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 07:25 AM)
Ok
I do know they are guaranteed, but not sure if both sides agree if a new one can be made to replace the current.
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JohnLockeShallRiseAgain — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 01:18 PM)
You can buy out arbitration years though. So instead of say the 15 million or so he'd get in arbitration the next two seasons (I really have no idea if that's what he's getting, just hypothetical), if the sides agreed on a figure, say the 10 year 400 million, it could start this upcoming season and it'd be done when he's 34 rather than 36. But it's possible he and Boras don't want to do that, because he wants a contract to take him to the end of his career, which is much more likely 36 than 34. There's a distinct possibility he'd get more in arbitration the next two seasons than he would in 2 years at the end of a 10 year deal, because he could be in serious decline at that point. Plus, if he has another season or two to match 15's between now and his scheduled free agency, he'd be in a much better negotiating position.
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 07:04 AM)
He wants as much money NOW as he can get regardless of where it leaves him or the team he signs with. I get that. But, I also get how stupid it is to ignore history, and history says he might have a few good years and MIGHT make the playoffs before he breaks down and has several over-paid years in which his team doesn't even sniff the playoffs. Then, his team will swallow his contract to get rid of him to some other team which will take him at the trade dead-line, ride him to the play-offs then trade him in the off-season.
The team which signs him better hope they win the WS right away.
And, while I still can't say that I'm in favor of an actual salary cap, I do think the luxury tax should be 25% for the first year, 50% for the second year and 100% for any year after that. -
haroldbaines — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 08:12 AM)
It'll be the Yanks who do it and it will go down as the dumbest move in the history of free agents. The best player ever at a full level of play for ten years wouldn't be worth this money. This guy's a .279 career hitter. Very good player. Not remotely worth this contract.
His first two years he probably rakes, gets hurt the third, comes back with a crappy season the fourth, is getting booed so bad he wants out, has an average season the 5th, hurt the sixth, yanks eat most of the contract and trade him somewhere else where he plays 3 or 4 more years at an average level because of injuries and retires as one of the biggest busts in sports. -
w-kingseed — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 09:43 AM)
Well way too much money, especially considering how injuries can make such deals look ridiculous on the part of owners; but every time I see stories like this that highlight how much money top athletes make today, it is shocking and sickening that society places such a high value on them. This world is really fuc_ed up. Same goes for film actors and musicians. I understand entertainers generate oodles of cash, but for Christ sake, this is disgusting.
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justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 06, 2016 10:44 AM)
it is shocking and sickening that society places such a high value on them.
If you were one of only 800 people who could do a particular job that was in high demand, you'd command such a salary as well. -
justanicknamed — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 06:53 AM)
I don't know. How many millions of people felt elated for several days (and some continue to feel the elation) after the Cubs won, compared to how people feel after paying a plumber $500 to fix a clogged sink?
And, I'm not slamming plumbers/laborers at all. I value their work. -
Krypteia1 — 9 years ago(December 07, 2016 09:05 PM)
$40? lol.
I live in New York, so I know we're used to paying more, but where the hell can you get an average ticket for $40? A beer costs at least $12 at Yankee Stadium, parking costs almost $30
"When I come home and dinner's not ready, I go through the roof!" - Lord Trump -
PrivateTrip — 9 years ago(December 09, 2016 12:46 PM)
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