Plane Crash in India 🇮🇳 More than 200 People on Board
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soapbox original gangster — 9 months ago(June 14, 2025 11:47 PM)
now im starting to get wary of flying. i hope india has an independent air accident investigative agency so the details get released. sometimes Government-owned airlines cant be exposed for reasons of national pride. next best option send the data recorders either to UK or US for analysis.
i'm wary because i think this pilot has identified the cause and it's entirely (co) pilot error. Captain steeeve has 40 years flying and is an active commercial pilot with either delta, american, or united. he doesnt engage in dramatics or hyperbole. @ 11:25 for his understanding; but all of it is highly instructive.
EDIT
he has changed his analysis because new video has provided additional info to lead different conclusion: -
TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 15, 2025 01:13 AM)
soapbox original gangster June 15, 2025 01:47 AM
Member since October 31, 2021
now im starting to get wary of flying. i hope india has an independent air accident investigative agency so the details get released. sometimes Government-owned airlines cant be exposed for reasons of national pride. next best option send the data recorders either to UK or US for analysis.
i'm wary because i think this pilot has identified the cause and it's entirely (co) pilot error. Captain steeeve has 40 years flying and is an active commercial pilot with either delta, american, or united. he doesnt engage in dramatics or hyperbole. @ 11:25 for his understanding; but all of it is highly instructive.
Lift vs. Power – What Really Happened to AI171? | Captain Steeeve Reacts
[video]
Interesting analysis (video).
So, here we go:- Birds flew into the engine(s) –> ruled out, agreed.
- Loss of power –> ruled out, agreed.
- Mistake 2nd pilot (wrong flaps setting) –> that happened in his opinion.
Hmmmmm, I don't think it was an (unintentional) mistake of the 2nd pilot.
If the following is true/correctly reported:
First pilot signaled
"Mayday"
to the Tower.
Tower responded at once but didn't get a reply anymore…boom.
The lone survivor said, it was a usual acceleration; he was pressed into the seat 11A.
Well, that's a subjective impression by a normal passenger.
Is he a normal passenger? British citizen of Indian origin.
Very strange survical, but it happened, means, possible.
He had his boarding pass with him. Is the boarding pass
really
a proof that he was on board?
–> Close background check necessary!
Air India is meanwhile private since 2021, as they say in
'my'
video.
"National pride"
could be still a problem for the investigation though.
Therefore agreed, better send the data, collected plane rest (every little piece of it!) and the meanwhile found flight recorder to the UK. UK experts should've meanwile arrived in India, they were on their way.
Not the USA because no US citizen was on board and sorry, the USA is currently not trustworthy.
And this most horrific air disaster for India coincidentally happened on the day of King Charles' birthday parade?! I smell a very fat rat there. –> Sabotage!
P.S. (edit to add)
Little correction, it happened 2 days before the birthday parade.
Not on the day of the parade. ähem
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TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 15, 2025 09:19 AM)
Just noticed and watched your added update. Danke!
Why the RAT Changes Everything – Air India 171 Update
[video]
Wow!…as I smelled it, it was the
RAT
.
Sorry, my cynical joke. Of course, I didn't see the so called RAT either.
Now Captain Steeeeve rightly suspects a
"dual engine failure"
.
Most likely
NOT
caused by conatiminated kerosene.
So, what's left?
–> SABOTAGE
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TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 15, 2025 02:51 PM)
Because of news from Ukraine in me rose a very dark suspicion.
Boeing Office in Kyiv severely damaged in Russian attack +++
In one of the most severe Russian airstrikes on Ukraine to date, a building belonging to the US aircraft manufacturer Boeing in Kyiv was apparently hit. As the Financial Times reported today, citing six people familiar with the incident, the building was heavily damaged overnight into Monday. Photos published by the Ukrainian Emergency Situations Agency show a burned-out office building and firefighters in action. According to reports, this was a targeted attack on the US company.
Boeing is one of the most important US companies with a presence in Ukraine
and works there (among others) with the aircraft manufacturer Antonov. According to Ukrainian sources, Russia used a total of 315 drones and several missiles in the major attack at the beginning of the week – in addition to Kyiv, Odessa and other cities were also affected.
Boeing did not directly confirm the attack but emphasized that all employees were unharmed.
https://www.n-tv.de/politik/15-26-Boeing-Buero-in-Kiew-bei-russischem-Angriff-schwer-beschaedigt--article23143824.html
June 15, 2025 15:26 PM
Could the plane crash in India and the Russian
"targeted attack on the US company"
in Ukraine be connected?
$Trump couldn't be
that
evil, could he?
Putler doesn't care, he's a cold-blooded murderer.
But $Trump?
Gosh, I need to puke.
I'll check now the recent Boeing plane crashes and their alleged reasons, starting with this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Boeing_737 -
TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 16, 2025 04:55 AM)
92 Victims Identified, Vijay Rupani's Funeral Today
Air India plane crash updates:
At least 274 people were killed in one of India's deadliest plane crashes
involving a London-bound Air India flight.
92 people who died in the Air India Ahmedabad-London plane crash have been identified through DNA testing, while authorities handed over the bodies of 47 victims to their families.
Nearly 600 doctors, assistants and drivers have been roped in to hand over the bodies, identified through DNA testing, outside the Ahmedabad Civil Hospital.
Last Thursday, at least 274 people were killed in one of India's deadliest plane crashes involving a London-bound Air India flight. AI 171 - belonging to Boeing Dreamliner 787-8 fleet - crashed seconds after taking off from Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport.
….
….
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/ahmedabad-plane-crash-live-updates-air-india-ai-171-london-latest-news-bodies-identified-dna-testing-8671840
June 16, 2025
Pure horror.
Even though it's not officially confirmed…yet.
That was
SABOTAGE
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TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 26, 2025 10:49 AM)
@ Soapbox Gangster:
Update
with
your
Captain Steeeve aka Captain Steve Schreiber.
Sorry, longer article but worth to read.
Plane Crash Attorney believes technical Flaw caused Air India Tragedy
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shortened/changed, even the header; DailyMail often worse than German scientists
]
Mary Schiavo, former Inspector General of the US Department of Transportation posted a new theory on the cause of the tragic crash of Air India Flight 171 that killed 271 people. She's currently lead attorney in the aviation department at law firm Motley Rice, suggested that a computer error could've caused the Boeing 787 Dreamliner's engines to throttle back. This would account for the loss of thrust shortly after takeoff, a phenomenon that happened before.
Mary Schiavo suggests a computer error caused a dual-engine failure.
"I believe this crash was a computer problem. There are several components that rely on computer code to tell the plane whether it's in the air or on the ground. If the computer or code malfunctions, the engines spool back and the thrust is reduced, even if in flight,"
Schiavo said, who represented victims of many air disasters in the USA.
"This happened on an ANA 787 (Japan's Air Nippon Airways) flight in 2019, which suffered a dual-engine failure on landing, and I'm afraid it could've occurred on the fatal Air India Flight 171."
Her analysis differs from that of Captain Steve Schreiber [
Captain Steeeve
!], a longtime airline pilot who also performs analyses of aviation disasters and close calls. He said the plane likely suffered a dual-engine failure due to a significant electrical or hydraulic fault.
Steve Schreiber suggests a significant electrical or hydraulic fault caused a dual-engine failure.
Schreiber explained that footage from the crash showed the plane's Ram Air Turbine (RAT) deployed - a telltale sign of a loss of power on board. This small propeller drops from underneath the plane's fuselage to act as a backup generator in the event of a major loss of electrical power or hydraulic pressure.
Footage showed evidence of Ram Air Turbine (RAT) deploying.
The sole survivor of the crash, 40-year-old British citizen Vishwash Ramesh, said that lights on board the plane began flickering shortly before the disaster. Ramesh, who miraculously escaped with minor injuries, revealed from his hospital bed:
"When the flight took off, within 5-10 seconds it felt like it was stuck in the air. Suddenly, the lights started flickering - green and white - then the plane rammed into some establishment that was there."
The cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) were recovered within days after the crash. These two devices constitute the plane's
"black box"
that saves valuable data for investigators to determine the chain of events and to identify the catalyst.
India's Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) launched a detailed investigation, and the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) conducts a parallel probe under international protocols, since the aircraft is USA-made. Boeing, which manufactures the 787 Dreamliner, and the US-American Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) announced, they had teams to support investigators.
Preliminary findings of the investigation into the crash are expected to be released within a month, and the full report is expected to take up to a year to be made public. But a
Boeing whistleblower questioned the delay, pointing out that authorities would know 95% of the details of the crash from the contents of the black box within days of its recovery.
Joe Jacobsen worked at both Boeing and the FAA for decades. He was also responsible for raising the alarm about issues at the aeronautic giant in the wake of two fatal crashes involving the 737 MAX aircraft that killed a total of 346 people.
"Investigators would be able to have a pretty good idea of what happened within a week, and I would think they definitely should have 95% of the information within a month."
He said:
"It only takes a couple of days to download (black box data) and have a look at that. But then the next 11 months are used up by people trying to control the message, and point fingers at one another, who's responsible, who's not responsible."
Whistleblower Jacobsen's worry is that, if the cause of the crash turns out to be a systemic issue across the 787 Dreamliner fleet, another fatal accident could happen before it's publicly identified and addressed. While observers await the report by India's AAIB, experts continue to offer their takes on what may have caused the crash.
Despite the deployment of the RAT, a double engine failure is an extremely rare occurrence. The leading causes of such a failure are fuel contamination or clogging [
both engines exactly at the same time?!
]. Questions were asked about the maintenance of refuelling equipment and where fuel is stored at the airport.
Another possibility raised by some experts in India is that birds may have collided with the plane moments -
TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 28, 2025 03:55 AM)
Probe stays within India
The Director General of AAIB is heading the probe. An aviation medicine expert
and an Air Traffic Control officer are also included in the investigation team.
One part of the black box was recovered from a building's rooftop on June 13, 2025.
The Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) Lab in Delhi right now works intensively to examine data retrieved from the black boxes of Air India Flight AI-171, which crashed in Ahmedabad earlier this month [
June 12, 2025
]. The Cental government said the entire probe will be done within India and no foreign help is needed.
[India got and still gets "foreign help" as it's supposed to be.
]
According to the Ministry of Civil Aviation, the Crash Protection Module (CPM) from the front black box was safely retrieved, and on June 25, 2025, the memory module was successfully accessed and its data downloaded at the AAIB Lab. Sources familiar with the process told news agency ANI that an identical black box, referred to as a
"golden chassis"
was used to confirm whether data could be accurately recovered from the black boxes.
Black box was safely retrieved on June 13, 2025
One part of the black box was recovered from the rooftop of a building at the crash site on June 13, 2025 and the other part from the debris on June 16, 2025. The investigation is led by AAIB officials and includes technical members from the Indian Air Force, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) from the USA, which is the official investigative agency of the country's aircraft [
Boeing
].
Director General of AAIB heads the Probe
The Director General of AAIB is heading the probe. An aviation medicine expert and an Air Traffic Control officer are also included in the investigation team. Sources confirmed that the NTSB team is currently stationed in Delhi and works closely with Indian authorities at the AAIB Lab. Officials from Boeing and GE are present in the national capital to assist with the technical process.
India, as a signatory to ICAO Chicago Convention of 1944, follows all international rules and procedures as ICAO Annex 13 and Aircraft
Investigation of Accidents and Incidents
Rules, 2017.
Investigation being done in time-bound Manner
The investigation is conducted in a fully transparent and time-bound manner, in line with global norms. Before the crash of Air India Flight AI-171, the AAIB used to send black boxes of damaged aircraft and even helicopters to overseas decoding centres in countries like the UK, USA, France, Italy, Canada, and Russia.
Indian labs earlier lacked the equipment and dedicated facility to retrieve black box data from serious aviation accidents. That has now changed, and the AAIB Lab in Delhi is fully equipped to decode both Cockpit Voice Recorders (CVR) and Flight Data Recorders (FDR) within the country.
AAIB was formed in 2012 to investigate major aviation accidents, but remained under-equipped and limited in its functioning until 2017. It was only after the Central Government, under Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Aatmanirbhar Bharat initiative, pushed for the development of home-grown technology in defence, aviation and other strategic sectors that AAIB began to receive advanced tools and technical upgrades.
India decoding Black Boxes within the Country
As a result, India now decodes black boxes of a major air crash within the country for the first time. In earlier crashes, black box decoding was mostly done abroad. In the 1996 Charkhi Dadri crash, black boxes were decoded by IAC in Moscow and the CVR in Farnborough, UK. In the 2010 Mangalore crash, recorders were repaired and decoded by the NTSB in the USA. In the 2015 Delhi crash, decoding was done at the engineering lab of Canada's Transportation Safety Board. In the 2020 Kozhikode crash, the CVR and FDR were downloaded at DGCA's flight recorder facility, but the data was processed with help from the NTSB.
Such dependence often led to concerns about delays and the credibility of investigations. But now, with the AI-171 crash investigation being carried out entirely in India, supported by international cooperation and equipped with advanced tools, this marks a major milestone in India's aviation safety journey.
Officials believe this will lead to faster, more transparent investigations and strengthen public trust in India's ability to handle major air accidents independently.
https://www.indiatvnews.com/news/india/air-india-plane-crash-centre-says-probe-to-stay-within-india-confirms-no-foreign-help-needed-2025-06-27-996548
June 27, 2025
Not only India's relatives and friends of the victims are eagerly awaiting the results. -
TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 30, 2025 01:44 AM)
Here we go…
Astonishing claim in Air India Crash
Investigators are probing whether the Air India crash…was caused by
sabotage
.
….
….
Although there has previously been speculation of potential sabotage, this is the first time officials have formally acknowledged it as a possible cause of the crash.
The pilot of Air India 171, Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, 55, frantically radioed air traffic control moments after take-off on June 12 to yell:
"No thrust … May Day … May Day."
Both engines appeared to have lost power – an incredibly rare occurrence described by experts as a
“one in a billion event”
.
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….
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/astonishing-claim-in-air-india-crash/news-story/608c69cc5da5f4f7a1dccafb78888e86
June 30, 2025 -
dbentley666 — 9 months ago(June 15, 2025 12:08 AM)
Top 10 Countries With Highest Fatal Plane Crashes in History
United States. Number of Accidents: 870.
Russia. Number of Accidents: 544. …
Brazil. Number of Accidents: 193. …
Canada. Number of Accidents: 191. …
Colombia. Number of Accidents: 185. …
United Kingdom. Number of Accidents: 110. …
Indonesia. Number of Accidents: 106. … -
TaraDeS — 9 months ago(June 15, 2025 05:15 AM)
To Tits Malone vs. dbentley666 (Filmboards intellectual giants). 🤪🤪
If I hear about a plane crash, I think at once at BOEING.
Mostly Boeings recently crashed, hossa!
While that is true:
Of course, the most happens where the most airplanes are!
I'll take my hometown's airline in future, no accidents at all!
Because there is no airline. 🥸
Flying remains statistically safer than driving with a car or by bus.
If something happens while flying, the death toll from that one incident is certainly shocking. -
soapbox original gangster — 9 months ago(July 01, 2025 06:33 PM)
so my go to youtube pilot has taken some straight on criticism from fellow pilots, because he advanced his own theory whereby the " co-pilot" mistakenly retracted the wing flaps instead of raising the landing gear, thereby not allowing the plane to achieve sufficient " lift" and continue climbing.
i dont know if Captain Steeve is qualified on the Boeing 787, because another youtube account by a 787 maintanence technician, filmed inside the 787 cockpit and showed that the flap lever does not move the full range without individual stops at the different flap position indicators, in complete distinction to the gear lever which moves up and down with no stops. i guess the inference is that a qualified pilot even if in total darkness would know which lever was getting moved. this guy called out Captain Steeve for even suggesting such a thing
all the flight data recorders have been recovered,and sent to US for boeing to examine.
this is a real puzzle since it appears that both engines failed simultaneously and this shoulnt happen due to multiple, independent back up systems and built-in redundant circuits. the emergency generator deployed and outside of some now hitherto unknown sequence of events which can activate the emerg turbine,either both engines failed or a complete loss of hydraulics or some combo probably happened.
this is a massive plane and the engines equally so. the design standard is that with one engine only, the plane can take off, reach cruising altitude, fly across the atlantic, and safely land. so for BOTH engines to die instantly is very troubling.my next flight is on a 787 and now im hoping the flight gets redesignated on a 777 or an Airbus . . . because i'm suspecting that Boeing yet again has created a lethal environment due to some software update/patch/glitch, and this instructed the engines to stop. I aint getting on these planes!
Some youtube morons immediately called into question the pilots' skill and ability, because, you know, it's Air India. The pilot knew he and the plane would be dead in seconds, yet he calmly made a final call: ""mayday, mayday, mayday, sufficient thrust not attained." then they all died, but the pilot gave the investigators a vital clue -
TaraDeS — 9 months ago(July 02, 2025 06:14 AM)
soapbox original gangster July 01, 2025 08:33 PM
Member since October 31, 2021
so my go to youtube pilot has taken some straight on criticism from fellow pilots, because he advanced his own theory whereby the " co-pilot" mistakenly retracted the wing flaps instead of raising the landing gear, thereby not allowing the plane to achieve sufficient " lift" and continue climbing.
i dont know if Captain Steeve is qualified on the Boeing 787, because another youtube account by a 787 maintanence technician, filmed inside the 787 cockpit and showed that the flap lever does not move the full range without individual stops at the different flap position indicators, in complete distinction to the gear lever which moves up and down with no stops. i guess the inference is that a qualified pilot even if in total darkness would know which lever was getting moved. this guy called out Captain Steeve for even suggesting such a thing
all the flight data recorders have been recovered,and sent to US for boeing to examine [
No!
]
this is a real puzzle since it appears that both engines failed simultaneously and this shoulnt happen due to multiple, independent back up systems and built-in redundant circuits. the emergency generator deployed and outside of some now hitherto unknown sequence of events which can activate the emerg turbine,either both engines failed or a complete loss of hydraulics or some combo probably happened.
this is a massive plane and the engines equally so. the design standard is that with one engine only, the plane can take off, reach cruising altitude, fly across the atlantic, and safely land. so for BOTH engines to die instantly is very troubling.my next flight is on a 787 and now im hoping the flight gets redesignated on a 777 or an Airbus . . . because i'm suspecting that Boeing yet again has created a lethal environment due to some software update/patch/glitch, and this instructed the engines to stop. I aint getting on these planes!
Some youtube morons immediately called into question the pilots' skill and ability, because, you know, it's Air India. The pilot knew he and the plane would be dead in seconds, yet he calmly made a final call: ""mayday, mayday, mayday, sufficient thrust not attained." then they all died, but the pilot gave the investigators a vital clue
"all flight data recorders have been recovered, and sent to US"
Later more to what you said, but the
data recorders (black box) stayed in India!
First time in India's history and I understand very well why.
See my post/article above:
Probe stays within India
https://www.filmboards.com/board/p/22675067/permalink/#p22675067