Plane Crash in India 🇮🇳 More than 200 People on Board
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 10, 2025 01:06 AM)
soapbox original gangster July 10, 2025 01:36 AM
Member since October 31, 2021
still 9 july here and ive come across a non-official speculation about the crash, and if this turns out true, then the co-pilot committed murder/suicide. the default assumption on the mayday call-last communication before fatal impact- was the captain as the " Captain" initiated the call. only a voice confirm can establish this. assume true therefore the copilot is responsible. if false, then the co-pilot made the final call, and the pilot committed the crime.
the air current publication claims to have received inside info from person(s) affiliated with the investigation: either Indian aviation, boeing, ntsb, faa. this information is focused on the engine control switches: taking them both out of run kills the engines almost instantly. and since the mayday stated " not enough (engine) thrust", this seems highly possible, if not outright the only plausible explaination. if only one switch changed, the plane was designed to continue, so therefore both switches needed to shift from run to off. AND the switches required a two-step sequential movement: lift up, then pull down or up. in this case, down. a mechanical interlock prevented any type of vibration or " gravity" assist in moving the switches out of the set position. This was a deliberate action. [ the link to the article===>>>
https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safety/ai171-investigation-fuel-control-switches/
( nuclear reactor coolant pumps have the same type of switch mentality: " pull to start/ push in to stop." there is no " errant" electrical pathway for which to activate/deactivate the circuit outside the solid, physical connecting of the switch to the control bus.)
support for this is that nothing from the FAA or ntsb or even from lord god Trump himself has instructed Boeing to make ANY changes to current 787 operating procedures. nothing has changed, which kinda means that all the flight systems worked as intended and a human action holds all responsibility.
just like the maylasian flight involved pilot/ co-pilot murder&suicide, same here. and there's zero method of pre-screening any flight crew members' mental states and keeping that person from getting on a flight and killing the plane for whatever mental impulse driving them to act. this is seriously scary
maybe holograpghic travel simulators are the future
So the theory goes:
Pilot sent Mayday –> Co-Pilot is a proven saboteur.
Co-Pilot sent Mayday –> Pilot is a proven saboteur.
Sorry, I cannot follow that logic.
Perhaps the Mayday was just a disguise and both pilots are saboteurs?
Your link/article repeated the already suspected double engine failure.
And now speculates that this engine failure was caused by a pilot, who simply switched off both engines.
Well, everything is possible.
It's now July 10 (Thursday) here.
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 05:00 PM)
Preliminary Report into Air India crash submitted to Authorities - but may not be made public
A preliminary report into the doomed Air India Flight 171 that crashed moments after take off has been submitted to Indian authorities - but there is currently no obligation to make it public.
The report has been filed by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) and is based on the initial findings of the probe, marking 30 days since the crash.
Aviation experts stress the preliminary report would unlikely go into the causes of the crash but would indicate steps investigators are following, notable findings, the sequence of events and available evidence.
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https://news.sky.com/story/preliminary-report-into-air-india-crash-submitted-to-authorities-but-may-not-be-made-public-13395327
July 11, 2025
Wow!
Many people around the globe waited for that report.
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 05:09 PM)
Mr Guy Mandude esq July 11, 2025 07:07 PM
Member since January 21, 2020
STOP BUMPING OLD TRADGEDIES MAKING ME THINKG IT HAS HAPPENED AGAIN!!! I STRATED CRYING AND SCREAMING AND LOOKED LIKE AND IDIOT!! YOU DID THAT TO ME!!
Not the right place for jokes, Dane.
People really died, that wasn't a PS5 game. -
-- wot -- — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 05:26 PM)
I am a very emotional man Tara, very in-tune with my emotional roots. Chicks dig it. You have caused me to feel i need a trip t my emotional support dog who is currently moonlighting as a guide, so now i am sad and some poor blind **** is not getting home safely tonight, all because of you gypsy woman.
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 05:32 PM)
Mr Guy Mandude esq July 11, 2025 07:26 PM
Member since January 21, 2020
I am a very emotional man Tara, very in-tune with my emotional roots. Chicks dig it. You have caused me to feel i need a trip t my emotional support dog who is currently moonlighting as a guide, so now i am sad and some poor blind **** is not getting home safely tonight, all because of you gypsy woman.
Good for the
"c.u.n.t"
that she won't meet you. ☻ -
soapbox original gangster — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 08:19 PM)
as projected 2 days ago by those with insider tipoff about the flight data recorder info, the crash was deliberate and a murder+suicide by the co-pilot or the captain. every passenger gets screened and checked and acting " weird" for the sake of just being an oddball character will get your ass banned from flyiong. BUT what system is in place to detect when a pilot or a maintenance tech or any person who has access to the inside or outside of a plane is about to commit sabatoge? no system unless there's a AI supercomputer method to analyze body language, metabolics, and use abnormalities to refuse entry?
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 08:27 PM)
Moment, please.
I just read the preliminary report. It was released to public.
Not sure if WSJ (and with that Captain Steeeve) refer to pre-speculations or the actual report.
AAIB releases preliminary Report on Air India Plane Crash in Ahmedabad
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/aaib-releases-preliminary-report-on-air-india-plane-crash-in-ahmedabad-report-101752263646478.html
July 12, 2025 01:45 (India is ahead of all of us
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 11, 2025 09:17 PM)
Soooooo, I've read the article/report and watched your video with
Captain Steeeve
.
Yah, seems you were right…pilot suicide or pilot mistake.
Captain Steeeve rather talks about a pilot mistake out of personal stress, but doesn't exclude suicide either.
One detail speaks against suicide for me. According to the voice recorder, the pilot asked the co-pilot why he cut off the fuel, and the co-pilot replies:
"I didn't do that."
That short dialogue doesn't exclude suicide but appears very odd for a suicide scenario.
Then pilot mistake: Captain Steeeve explained that it's nearly impossible to cut off the fuel of both engines just by a little error. Even if they may've tried to restart the engines after they stopped (for whatever reason), according to Captain Steeeve there's no way that they wouldn't have put the fuel switches immediately back to
'run'
. So, we're back to suicide.
I don't know, maybe I'm just reluctant to accept a pilot mistake/suicide but something sounds wrong, something doesn't really fit. Perhaps I need to sleep over it, but this amazing survivor and his brother (who died in the crash) keep coming back in my thoughts. Well, that also doesn't make sense, because how would his brother have been able to get into the cockpit without both pilots seeing him…invisible magician?
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 13, 2025 04:58 PM)
Unanswered Questions about Air India Crash after preliminary Report
The preliminary report said the plane's fuel switches were moved to the
'cut-off' position 'immediately' after take-off, stopping fuel supply to the engine.
Wreckage of the plane pictured outside Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport on Saturday.
Families of the victims of the Air India crash demanded
"justice and answers"
after the report found the plane’s fuel switches were cut off. The preliminary report from India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau was published on Friday, raising further questions about what happened before the crash.
The London-bound Boeing 787 Dreamliner crashed into a medical college shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad Airport on June 12, killing 241 people on board. Another 19 people on the ground died and 67 were seriously injured.
As the probe continues, here are some of the unanswered questions about the crash.
Why were the Fuel Switches cut off?
The preliminary report said both of the plane's fuel switches moved to the "cut-off" position "immediately" after take-off, stopping fuel supply to the engine. The report reads:
"In the cockpit voice recording, one of the pilots is heard asking the other why did he cut-off. The other pilot responded that he did not do so."
The pilots were Captain Sumeet Sabharwal, who had 15,000 hours of flying experience, and Clive Kunder, who had 3,000. The report did not specify who said what in this exchange. Kunder was flying the plane, and Sabharwal was monitoring.
The switches were then returned to their normal in-flight position [
"Run"
], which triggered an automatic engine relight and a thrust recovery procedure.
While the engines started to recover,
it was too late, and the plane crashed.
It raised questions about what happened with the switches. Prof. Graham Braithwaite, director of aerospace and aviation at Cranfield University, said these are used at the end of every flight and in emergency scenarios such as a fire. They are designed so they cannot easily be accidentally turned off and pilots would generally run through a checklist before doing so, he told the Press Association. If the switch had been moved by a person, that would have been a
"very unusual thing to do"
at below 1,000 feet.
"It's not the point of flight where you try and call for your coffee, it's a period of flight where your focus is very, very clear and that first 1,000 feet, it's about keeping the airplane climbing and that's not about clicking switches."
The switches flipped a second apart, the report said, roughly the time it would take to shift one and then the other, US aviation expert John Nance told the Reuters news agency. Like Prof. Braithwaite, he said a pilot would never normally turn the switches off in flight, especially as the plane is starting to climb.
What was the Role of the Pilots?
Bhaval Shah, a family friend of Kinal Mistry (24) who died in the crash, told The Times:
"If these switches can't be turned off easily and if no software glitch could have been responsible, then it is deliberate, isn't it? Then it's sabotage or suicide."
But there has been pushback against this narrative given it was only a preliminary report. India's civil aviation minister Kinjarapu Ram Mohan Naidu told local news channels:
"We care for the welfare and the wellbeing of pilots so let's not jump to any conclusions at this stage, let us wait for the final report."
The Indian Commercial Pilots' Association, quoted in the Hindustan Times, also said on Sunday it is
"deeply disturbed by speculative narratives emerging in sections of the media and public discourse - particularly the reckless and unfounded insinuation of pilot suicide. Let us be unequivocally clear: there is absolutely no basis for such a claim at this stage."
What was said in the Cockpit?
As mentioned above, information about the pilots' exchange about the fuel switch being moved to the "cut-off" position is obscure. It is not known who said what. Furthermore, the preliminary report did not contain a transcript of the pilots' communications in the cockpit. This would have been captured by the cockpit voice recorder, which was recovered from the wreckage. Peter Goelz, a former managing director of the US National Transportation Safety Board, said
"there's likely much more on the cockpit voice recorder than what's been shared"
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It comes as families of the victims demand transparency.
Relatives of Akeel Nanabawa, his wife Hannaa Vorajee and their four-year-old daughter Sara Nanabawa, who died in the crash, said:
"Moving forwards, we require honesty, transparency and an unwavering commitment to uncovering the full truth."
Akeel Nanabawa, Hannaa Vorajee and their 4-year-old daughter Sara Nanabawa.
Ishan Baxi, cousin of sisters Dhir and Heer Baxi, who were meant to be flying home after surprising their grandmother for her birthday, said he was
"not satisfied"
by the initial report.
"I just hope the final report brings full clarity on -
soapbox original gangster — 8 months ago(July 14, 2025 07:03 PM)
14 july. [aviation terminology: the 'captain' is the senior pilot on the flight; the other pilot is ' first officer.' The Captain always sits in the left seat. The person tasked with flying is designated ' pilot flying.' The other person is designated ' pilot monitoring', this involves comms, landing gear, serving as extra set of eyes.]
what is definitely known:- The first officer was pilot flying
- 787 performed as designed
- landing gear never raised
- 1 second after take-off, one of pilots took both engine run switches to off.
- about 1 second later, one of them, presumably the pilot flying, asked" why did you do that?" The response was: " I didnt do it."
- about 2 seconds later, both engine control switches placed back into run.
- both engines re-started( as designed)
- one of the pilots made a mayday call.
- there is no known casualty/emergency/operating procedure which involves killing the engines once the plane is airborne.
what is not known: - who asked about the engine switch?
- who made the final mayday call?
- was there a third pilot in the cockpit, so called " jump-seat" passenger?
- who turned off the engines?
The Indian aviation authority has already noted in the initial report that flight medicine and aviation psychologists are officially part of the investigation. all they can do is hope to find past record of behavior to indicate a mental condition which lead to mass murder. when you fly, you are constantly observed in the airport and questioned by security. Can we the passengers ask the pilots about their mental health status as we board the plane? i mean since it's almost impossible to get a deadly weapon on board due to screening, arent we entitled to do some screening of our own??
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 16, 2025 09:19 AM)
soapbox original gangster July 14, 2025 09:03 PM
Member since October 31, 2021
14 july. [aviation terminology: the 'captain' is the senior pilot on the flight; the other pilot is ' first officer.' The Captain always sits in the left seat. The person tasked with flying is designated ' pilot flying.' The other person is designated ' pilot monitoring', this involves comms, landing gear, serving as extra set of eyes.]
what is definitely known:- The first officer was pilot flying
- 787 performed as designed
- landing gear never raised
- 1 second after take-off, one of pilots took both engine run switches to off.
- about 1 second later, one of them, presumably the pilot flying, asked" why did you do that?" The response was: " I didnt do it."
- about 2 seconds later, both engine control switches placed back into run.
- both engines re-started( as designed)
- one of the pilots made a mayday call.
- there is no known casualty/emergency/operating procedure which involves killing the engines once the plane is airborne.
what is not known: - who asked about the engine switch?
- who made the final mayday call?
- was there a third pilot in the cockpit, so called " jump-seat" passenger?
- who turned off the engines?
The Indian aviation authority has already noted in the initial report that flight medicine and aviation psychologists are officially part of the investigation. all they can do is hope to find past record of behavior to indicate a mental condition which lead to mass murder. when you fly, you are constantly observed in the airport and questioned by security. Can we the passengers ask the pilots about their mental health status as we board the plane? i mean since it's almost impossible to get a deadly weapon on board due to screening, arent we entitled to do some screening of our own??
It remains mysteriously.
India orders Inspection of Boeing Fuel Control Switches after Preliminary Report
India’s aviation regulator ordered on Monday airlines operating several Boeing models to examine fuel control switches, days after an investigation into last month’s Air India plane crash found they were flipped off, starving both engines of fuel.
Fuel control switches have brackets and a locking mechanism to prevent accidental movement.
India’s Directorate General of Civil Aviation stated the directive would apply to Boeing 787 Dreamliners and select Boeing 737 variants and that airlines must complete inspections and submit their findings to the regulator by July 21, 2025.
A preliminary report into the Air India crash that killed 260 people in the northwestern city of Ahmedabad found that the switches shifted within one second of each other, cutting off fuel supply to both engines.
The report, released last week, did not offer any conclusions as to why the plane crashed. It also did not say how the switches could have flipped from run position to the cutoff during the flight.
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The report, issued by India’s Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau, noted a
2018 advisory from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration, recommending airlines operating Boeing models to inspect the locking feature of fuel cutoff switches.
Cockpit voice recordings captured a moment of confusion between the pilots, with one asking the other why he cut off the fuel. The other pilot responded, he
"did not do so"
.
Some aviation experts in India speculated the crash was caused due to human error based on the preliminary report. At least two commercial pilots’ associations have rejected such claims. The
Indian Commercial Pilots’ Association
in a statement on Sunday said it was
"deeply disturbed by speculative narratives … particularly the reckless and unfounded insinuation of pilot suicide"
.
Air India CEO Campbell Wilson on Monday said the preliminary report into the crash of the London-bound plane found no mechanical or maintenance issues with the aircraft and its engines. In an internal memo to airline staff seen by The Associated Press, Wilson said, the report stated that all mandatory maintenance tasks of the aircraft had been completed
"There was no issue with the quality of fuel and no abnormality with the take-off roll. The pilots had passed their mandatory pre-flight breathalyser and there were no observations pertaining to their medical status."
After the crash, Indian authorities ordered deeper checks of Air India’s entire Boeing 787 Dreamliner fleet to prevent future incidents. Air India has 33 Dreamliners in its fleet.
A spokesperson for Germany's Lufthansa told BI (Business Insider) that checks had been carried out on the fuel control switches on the Boeing 787s of Lufthansa and its subsidiary Austrian Airlines
"as a precautionary measure"
.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/india-orders-inspection-of-boeing-fuel-control-switches-after-air-india-crash-report
July 15, 2025
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-india-crash-airlines-check-boeing-787-fuel-switches-2025-7
July 15, 2025
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TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 17, 2025 12:40 PM)
Nothing new.
The
Wall Street Journal
(WSJ) claimed again that the Captain switched the fuel off.
The Aviation Minister tries to cool the people down.
The pilots are still and again angry about crazy theories, and rightly angry in my opinion.
It's one thing to speculate in forums, but WSJ isn't a forum.
Civil Aviation Minister Kinjarapu Ram Mohan Naidu has asked the public not to jump to conclusions until the final report.
"There are technicalities involved. It will be premature to comment at this stage. Let us wait for the final report,"
said Naidu.
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The Federation of Indian Pilots (FIP) and the International Federation of Air Line Pilots' Associations (IFALPA) have both asked the public, media, and the authorities not to jump to conclusions.
"Pre-judging an incident like this before there is a clear and data-driven investigation is premature and irresponsible,"
the FIP has said in a statement.
https://www.wsj.com/world/asia/air-india-crash-senior-pilot-eab72db5
July 16, 2025
https://www.thedailyjagran.com/world/air-india-captain-shut-off-fuel-switches-midair-before-ahmedabad-plane-crash-cockpit-recording-reveals-10253282
July 17, 2025
An impressive picture that was new to me.
Police officer stands in front of the wreckage.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/new-details-air-india-crash-probe-shift-focus-senior-pilot-wsj-reports-2025-07-16/ -
TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 20, 2025 07:10 PM)
Now this
is a pretty good theory.
Off in 1 Second? Expert's
'Mathematical Debunking'
of Air India Crash Theory
The AAIB investigating the deadly Air India crash released its preliminary report last week,
and one of the key points that emerged was that the fuel switches moved within a gap of a second.
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Speaking to NDTV on Saturday, Mr Khalid said,
"I would like to throw in a new mathematical calculation that debunks the stories that have been floating around. At the timestamp of 42 seconds, the fuel switches transitioned within one second from run to cut-off… That means within one second, someone - fastest fingers in the cockpit - put both the switches out in just 500 milliseconds. So, in one second, both of them are out."
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Mr Khalied then explained that
he thinks an electrical signal turned off the fuel, and the switches were not moved at that point. They were probably only moved later when the pilots were trying to restart the engines to avoid the crash, which they could not prevent.
https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/air-india-plane-crash-off-in-1-second-experts-mathematical-debunking-of-ahmedabad-flight-pilots-crash-theory-8909449
July 20, 2025
The impossible
"fastest fingers"
don't convince me.
But with the
"electrical signal"
I'm back to the only survivor and his dead brother.
Is it possible to switch the fuel off with such a signal from within the plane?! -
TaraDeS — 8 months ago(July 27, 2025 10:18 AM)
Nothing really new.
I took Captain Khalid's theory and improved with it my conspiracy theory, timeline from this article:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/12/how-air-india-flight-171-crashed-and-its-fatal-last-moments
Conspiracy Theory *** Conspiracy Theory *** Conspiracy Theory *** Conspiracy Theory
08:07:33 [GMT]: Cleared for takeoff from Ahmedabad’s runway 23.
08:07:37: Aircraft begins takeoff roll.
08:08:33: Aircraft reaches V1 (153 knots).
08:08:35: Aircraft achieves Vr (155 knots) for rotation.
08:08:39: Lift-off registered.
08:08:42: Aircraft peaks at its maximum recorded speed of 180 knots; at that time…
08:08:42: Both engine-fuel switches abruptly transition to cut-off,
done by terrorist(s),
………………..using an electric signal from within the plane or terrorist in the cockpit moved them.
08:08:47: Engines lose power; RAT deploys to provide emergency hydraulics.
………………..PilotA: "Why did you cut off?" PilotB: "I did not do that."
08:08:52: Engine 1 fuel switch is returned to "run".
08:08:54: APU inlet door begins to open (auto-start initiates).
08:08:56: Engine 2 fuel switch is also returned to "run".
08:09:05: Pilot transmits [
verbally
] "MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY".
08:09:11: Final data recorded; aircraft hits the ground.
Conspiracy Theory *** Conspiracy Theory *** Conspiracy Theory *** Conspiracy Theory -
TaraDeS — 7 months ago(August 13, 2025 10:43 PM)
Victim Families hired USA Law Firm to file RTI Plea for Flight Recorder Data
Beasley Allen is looking to do a
“reconstruction”
of the crash and could proceed under
USA product liability law once it gets the data, says its Principal Attorney Mike Andrews.
53 British, 7 Portuguese, one Canadian, 169 Indian passengers and 12 crew members were on board.
The victim families of the Air India 171 air crash of June 12, who have engaged US law firm Beasley Allen, will file applications under Right to Information (RTI) act seeking raw data on the crash, the firm’s Principal Attorney Mike Andrews told The Indian Express on Wednesday. The RTI applications will be filed with the
"entities who have the FDR (Flight Data Recorder),"
Andrews said, who is concluding his second visit to Gujarat on Wednesday.
Andrews, whose law firm will make
"direct appeals"
to Air India and the Aircraft Accident Investigation Bureau (AAIB) for information sourced from the site of the crash that killed 241 of the 242 passengers and crew and 19 on the ground, said that over 80 victim families, including passengers and those who lost their lives on ground, had signed contracts with the firm so far.
The firm is looking to do a
"reconstruction"
of the crash and could proceed under the US product liability law once it gets the data. There were 53 British nationals, 7 Portuguese, one Canadian and 169 Indian nationals on board the Gatwick (London)-bound Boeing 787 that went down soon after takeoff, crashing into the mess building of the BJ Medical College at Meghaninagar in Ahmedabad.
"We have some victims who were cooking food in the medical school, some who were out serving tea and some who were on the scooters passing by. Those families highlight the fact that aviation safety affects everybody. They never bought plane tickets. They never expected it to be involved in an aviation crash,"
said Andrews, with rakhis tied on his wrist by a Diu family which lost a daughter in the crash.
Reiterating that his focus would be to
“find out what happened”
, Andrews said this is a first among the air crash cases he has handled in 30 years where there is a survivor and several ground casualties.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/air-india-171-plane-crash-victim-families-who-hired-us-law-firm-to-file-rti-plea-for-flight-recorder-data-other-info-10187708/
August 14, 2025
Let’s see whether this
Right to Information
(RTI) also applies in India.
Air India Ahmedabad Crash: USA Law Firm To Represent 70 Victims' Kin
(upload August 11, 2025)