So what is the conspiracy?
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Charlie_Strom — 15 years ago(September 10, 2010 02:49 AM)
I always wondered what the f#%k are people deluding themselves into protecting? American honor? Patriotism?
A lot of those in denial about 9/11 face the crucial questionif our government has killed others abroad, why wouldnt they sacrifice American lives, here?
Many thought Tillman would be ashamed that his career was politically manipulated. I think he'd be ashamed at the lack of courage by many Americans to not challenge the administration that led them down the tortuous path of war. On this Sept 11th, many should look back and ask themselves Will we allow a Patriot Act again? Allow a Congress to be bullied into a war without proof of WMD, etc. -
Bulletcatcher — 15 years ago(September 13, 2010 05:32 AM)
So, take your stack of internet printouts and go to court.
Good luck with that.
You have zero (0) hard evidence of anything even hinting at US government complicity in the attacks by Al Qaeda. Nothing.
You allude to nothing but circumstantial things. That won't hold water in a court of law.
Clamo, clamatis, omnes clamamus pro glace lactis! -
Charlie_Strom — 15 years ago(February 02, 2011 01:18 AM)
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"You have zero (0) hard evidence of anything even hinting at US government complicity in the attacks by Al Qaeda. Nothing. "
I think "bulletcatcher" is a very appropriate name.
LOL at the "pride" of the comment. Were going to kill people and have soldiers die for absolutely NOTHING but the wealth of those above us, and i for one, am very, very proud of that.
pathetic. No wonder were in two wars. -
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shurbanm — 14 years ago(August 13, 2011 06:16 AM)
erm.
you must have missed the last 10 years.
All the supposed hijackers were Saudis.
We invaded Iraq which had NOTHING to do with 911 with the justification of Saddam harboring WMDs.
No WMDs, No 911 involvement.
Does that clarify it for you?
Can take to courtroom and prosecute not defend!
Capice?
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dmhyche — 15 years ago(September 03, 2010 12:28 PM)
I'm not debating 9/11. I've given up with it. If you want to know for yourself, I would research it and make your own mind up. There's some truth and some beep and it's muddled like that on purpose to make any ideas lose credibility.
Maybe the very bottom guys go to prison, etc., but still, it's mostly low income families. There's no reason you wouldn't go to the military if you were well off. The kids from wealthy backgrounds usually wind up being the generals and high up. Bush was a bum playboy that did NOTHING but get in trouble and he became our president.
Free your mind from the matrix,
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mulhollandpsycho — 14 years ago(November 18, 2011 10:28 PM)
It was the U.S. Army and officials as high as Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld who started the 'hero' line for Pat Tillman. They created the idea that he was killed by enemy fire. That alone qualifies a soldier for 'hero' status. However, Tillman was killed by other U.S. soldiers, a fact that the armed services officials were determined to keep from the Tillman family.
It is not the fact that Pat Tillman was killed while serving in a war that earned him a documentary. It is the conspiracy of government officials to lie to a family and America that has made this situation worthy of a documentary. -
tetrahex — 15 years ago(February 04, 2011 03:06 PM)
problem they want answers, but what answer is there beyond the simple one, some guys got trigger happy and friendly fired him.
while a war is on going they just aren't going to drop everything for one guy.
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Charlie_Strom — 15 years ago(February 17, 2011 05:11 AM)
"as for folks pushing 9/11 conspiracies, you've lost the plot."
Think that Tillman was asking the wrong questions, and was contacting some people regarding why they were in Afghanistan, and he got "friendlied". Then they made him out to be a hero in this - the family wasnt having it. It backfired very badly on conservatives, and the film was going to set the record straight. "some guys got trigger happy is the typical dumb ass beep happens" mentality that runs opinions. Some people hold the Government to a much higher standard, especially when its their family killed.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."
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bendover-ho — 15 years ago(March 31, 2011 01:44 PM)
The movie makes no claim of any underlying conspiracy, because there is unsufficient evidence so support it.
What it demonstrates very clearly is that the government told a direct lie in order to serve its purpose and even after that was pointed out by the Tillmans, the system failed to investigate this thoroughly and all the people responsible were permitted to walk away with a smile on their faces. That just makes me sick.
And if you dont see a problem in all this then Yippee-ki-yay, beep enjoy your U S of beep A. -
pawalsh — 15 years ago(April 07, 2011 12:21 AM)
I bet if you took an honest poll most of the pro conspiracy guys would admitt to smoking pot daily and the anti conspiracy guys don't ha! ha!.Gov Jesse Ventura ring a bell. How does one research 911 conspiarcies anyways? the internet, tv, books!!! and what opened your eyes to the truth 5 years ago? the folded up one dollar bill showing the smoking twin towers? the bible code? what was it?maybe just maybe a well organized, trained, dedecated terrorist cell just happen to take advantage of our open free society and used it against us, oh we'll you'll beleive what you want and I'll beleive what I want. And please don't down the men and women of the military there not the bottom of society barrel, some of us just wanted to make the US (and the world for all you hating America hippies) a better place, your speaking out of your A@*..did you ever serve? or just sit on the sideline watching and thinking you know it all.
No disrespect meant just a question it's not a statement. And don't forget to look into why was moammar gadhafi son her in the US when the new war startedanybody got any thing, I know W is gone,is his people still to blame?
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obelix99 — 14 years ago(April 13, 2011 11:52 PM)
9/11 is absolutely an inside job. Those that think it's a stupid conspiracy haven't gotten off their fat asses to do any research. Because if you did 1 hour worth of research, you'd have at least 100 questions. But most Americans don't want to take an hour to do research because it would cut into their precious Dancing withe the Stars or American Idol.
Over 1400 architects and engineers wants 9/11 to be re-investigated because there's no way in hell that two planes hit two building causing 3 to collapse into its footprint at free fall speed. Those things happens in movies, but they certainly don't in real life.
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pawalsh — 14 years ago(April 14, 2011 09:30 PM)
Ok you believe everything you read and all Americans are fat assed and watch to much dancing with the stars. You really need more of a case then this for me to believe it. 1 u don't like America because you say were all mindless fat assess 2 Over 1400 architects and engineers wants 9/11 to be re-investigated because there's no way in hell that two planes hit two building causing 3 to collapse into its footprint at free fall speed.
Only 2 fell at first, tower 7 fell after 1 & 2 towers landed on them if I remember right and don't forget the buildings were built with the outside used as the metal support not like a conventional building with a metal skeleton frame, so the burning fuel would cause the concrete floors to pancake and fall on themselves.
My biggest problem I have with people saying it was an inside job is why would Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda take credit and claim to doing it? the entire worlds media would have to be in on this claim of what your saying to blame al quada and not investigate the US goverment which I can't see happening. You don't like the US and all the worlds newspapers, intel agencys ect do like us enough that they would fabercate this as an attack with us and over look it if we did for some strange reason to kill 3000 people on US soil. Let me guess it was for the oil right, the oil were buying now off the same arab and south american people we were buying it off of before 9/11/01,. What's changed since 9/11/2001 that bennifed us for us to attack ourselves? -
vbenesh — 14 years ago(April 15, 2011 05:10 PM)
Charlie_Strom, I would like you to provide factual evidence for every point you tried making before I can even begin to believe 2% of it. You just presented thousands of words worth of conspiracies (and probably blatant lies) without presenting any truly factual evidence and/or references to back any of it up. Congratulations, you failed and wasted plenty of time in the process.
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downder55 — 14 years ago(April 22, 2011 10:03 PM)
vbenesh, how about you quit being lazy, and research for yourself. Take time to weigh and balance both sides of the conspiracy instead of awaiting on someone else to present the information to you. I do find it very peculiar when people refuse to incorporate bits of factual evidence, but rather dismiss it as conspiracy (even though conspiracies are made every day by all people). A conspiracy theory is essentially a criminal investigation, where as some are strong and some are weak. But because conspiracies can be investigated by all walks of life, the "criminal investigation" can be convoluted with personal opinions, and inefficient research. Still, the 9/11 conspiracy is an extremely strong conspiracy which can incline anyone to accept that the U.S was most definitely aware of a terrorist attack to occur. I talked to a professor of mine, and he stated that the happening of the attack was just because of sloppy action by the federal govt. But if that were to be the case, was the Tillman lie merely because of sloppy misinformation. Was the October Surprise event merely because of sloppy choices by the conservative related officialsetc. "Sloppy action" is essentially a cop out of a more underlying truth that has potential evidence. As a history major, one cannot accept a "sloppy" perspective of an event. There is a concise happening for any historical event, but its convoluted through bias and individual analysis'therefore as rational thinkers, we must strive to cooperate and uncover this consise happening.
I saw the documentary tonight (ironically on pat's death), and its a terrible, terrible shame. I'm not surprised our federal govt. used his death as a propaganda tool, but it was heartbreaking listening to the family's story. Mike Ruppert and his investigative team in 'From the Wilderness' did an excellent job covering this. -
obelix99 — 14 years ago(April 30, 2011 02:34 PM)
God Pawalshwhat are you? The 9/11 Commission? Where did you come up with all your beep
- Tower 7 as you put it, did not fall because the other two towers 'fall on them'. Get your facts straight. The 9/11 report didn't even mention Bldg 7 in their report. But the official story would tell it that the building caught on fire due to the debris from tower 1 and 2. The fire cause the building to collapse. This is the beep No fires have ever brought down a building EVER. Not before 9/11. Not after 9/11. Yet on 9/11 3 fell because of fire. Coincidence? The fact that they fell at free fall speed doesn't raise a question mark in your brain? Even if the building pancaked, there's no scenario where a pancaked building could collapse at free fall speed. None. Did you even take physics in school? How about the pools of molten metal found underneath all 3 towers? They were there for at least a month burning at over 2500 degrees. Still no questions?
- Your story about Bin Laden had me giggling. It's obviouspainfully odious that you believe everything you are told by our government. Now let me educate you and maybe you can do some thinking. Days after 9/11, Bin Laden said he had nothing to do with it. But then in November, they found a tape in an Afghanistan cave that would show Bin Laden sitting next to his buddies taking claim for it. Really? What movie is this from? I commit the crime of the century, tape it, then leave the tape in a cave to be found by American soldiers? What movie is this from? ON top of that, if you look at the tape, you can clearly see that Bin Laden..DOESN'T look like Bin Laden? It's so funny that you think this is real. In fact, Bin Laden has always worked for the CIA under the name Tim Osman. We trained him in Afghanistan, we armed him, we supported him. When things go bad, we can just blame him. Bin Laden was not responsible for 9/11 but he makes one hell of a boogieman. If he was responsible for 9/11, it would have listed 9/11 on the FBI report. It doesn't. That should tell you something. They have no hard evidence to connect him to 9/11.
DO some more research pal. I've done mine. Your attempt at trying to explain 9/11 only makes you look stupid and make me laugh. Thanks for trying but you can chalk this up as a bigF A I L!!!