since Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan are both considered the legend of legends
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preachcaleb — 18 years ago(March 30, 2008 02:18 PM)
Nah, that's just what smarks who are trying to sound smarter than they are say.
I's like the film nerds who say Citizen Kane sucks. All the experts say otherwise, but the smark always thinks he knows better.
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karat0315-1 — 18 years ago(March 31, 2008 08:18 PM)
I would have to agree with most of you and say Flair. Besides him in the ring. He seemed to care about the business alot more too. Hogan might of for awhile but he always wanted to come back for a big match and would come if the money was right. I think ric's the type that he dosn't care about the money, he just loves doing it and i think that puts him way above hogan.
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yankeeeever2740 — 18 years ago(March 31, 2008 08:34 PM)
that spectacle in the ring proves that flair is so above hogan in terms of class and dignity it isnt even funny. ric flair had the respect of the locker room. hulk hogan never did. i grew up a hogan fan. back in the 80's when there was no internet and you heard virtually nothing about what went on backstage. if you did im sure hulkamania wouldnt have run as wild as it did. now, being he was a top star im sure ric did his share of politicking backstage. all the big guys do. but hulk hogan, throughout his career has done everything to benefit one person and thats hulk hogan. he would never break down in front of a crowd like that because he has to be the immortal one, brother.
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metallicatjaymz — 18 years ago(April 03, 2008 03:27 AM)
The same would apply to alot of guys, like Austin: the man is bitter about everybody and everything, he's pissed of about the Rock's hall of fame speech, he didn't show up at Wrestlemania, he didn't show up at some of his matches, he refused to job for Brock Lesnar etc.
Flair is said to be a dick towards people outside his inner circle, Goldberg is considered by some to be a guy who only did it for the money etc. Warrior was a disaster in the locker room, The Rock gets alot of heat because he left wrestling for movies. I'd really like to know what's true about all that and what's just gossip.
To say that Hogan got no respect from the locker room is exaggerated. Big Show is an example of a guy who respects him alot (maybe because Hogan discoverd him). During the Hogan Hall of Fame speech in 2005, Big Show had tears in his eyes (cfr Flair's speech), plus Hogan was a source of inspiration for alot of the younger wrestlers.
A difference between Flair and Hogan is their characters: Hulkamania Hogan has always been the muscle bomber heroe/good guy that overcame the impossible, Flair never was. Also since Hulkamania started, Hogan has always been the main star or in the very top (drawings, big matches, storylines), Flair wasn't. Let's be honest, when NWO, Goldberg and Sting were running wild in WCW, Flair was definately not a top character anymore. He often seemed to have disappeared. Same with his WWE return. He was more like a manager of Batista and Triple H than a wrestler.
I would say that Flair can be considered one of the very best for his wrestling skills, probably the respect from colleagues and especially his incredible long career.
Hogan has had the biggest impact on wrestling boom and popularity of any wrestler and he has always been on top, both in WWF(E) and WCW for a very long time. He was also very well known in Japan and other continents (Europe), more than any other wrestler. -
aerosfan29 — 18 years ago(April 01, 2008 06:52 AM)
THen you obviously know squat about wrestling. There's more to performing in wrestling than in the ring. Hogan grew tired of wrestling, because it wasn't his passion. It was his way of income and that's about all it was to him. Ric Flair put 100% of every fiber of his existance in wrestling and climbed more ladders than most perfomers even knew existed, and that was outside the ring. Inside the ring, Ric's perfomance dwarfed Hogans at best, and that isn't just lip service for Flair either. Hogan has been said to be one of the Hardest people to work with in pro wreslting, because of the money he expects. Ric Flair was a difficult man because he refused to compromise in the quality of putting on "MOUNTAIN TOP" perfomances. So where you are entitled to your opinion, I am too, and my opinion is that you are way off.
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Deadman96 — 18 years ago(April 01, 2008 10:30 AM)
Flair.
Hogan did more to help the business grow in the 80s. He is a legend and there is no denying that.
Flair is better overall. Flair was the better wrestler, hands down, case closed. He had/has just as much charisma as Hogan ever did. Unlike Hogan, as he grew older, he did the right thing by the business and put younger guys over. Hogan had to beat Shawn Michaels and Orton at SummerSlam 2 years in a row. He didn't want to the guy that put them over. He had the power to put himself over and did. Flair knew letting the younger guys go over him improves the business and further someone else's career. Hogan doesn't care. Yeah, Hulk has put people over but not nearly to the extent Flair has.
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yankeeeever2740 — 18 years ago(April 01, 2008 03:17 PM)
i dont know if you were replying to me since your post was right after mine. but i was criticizing hogan, flair is head and shoulders above him. thats what i was trying to say. i apologize if u misunderstood
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hell_knight_imp — 18 years ago(April 01, 2008 04:13 PM)
Flair Is better. I like hogan too, just not as much as i like other wrestlers. However anyone, don't care who, but anyone whose signature move is just your everyday leg drop. then you lose points. sorry to any diehard Hulkamaniacs
Heads: Rhode Island
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puschit-1 — 17 years ago(June 27, 2008 08:38 AM)
Hulk Hogan's "finishing move" is a frikkin' leg drop that says everything abuot his abilities! I still fail to see why he got popular but once he was, the authors had to write the winning scripts for him.
Hogan was the better showman for the little kids and the dumb people whereas Flair was the better wrestler AND the better showman for anyone who knew something about wrestling. He makes his fights interesting to watch in his own, subtle way, without making himself the hero of the day. Many wrestlers owe him much.
Since Hogan is still more popular you can tell from that that most wrestling fans are little kids or dumb people
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puschit-1 — 17 years ago(June 29, 2008 02:37 AM)
You could not be wronger. In fact 80s and early 90s wrestling is the era that I watched the most. My favourite league was the NWA but my friends were fans of the WWF and forced me to watch that as well. I stopped watching wrestling about the time when the WCW was "taken over" by the "NWO" (Hogan was part of the NWO as well) because things got5b4 just stupid. It was about the same time where most of the WWF wrestlers that i actually liked left the WWF.
Okay, let me rephrase that. In fact I know why Hogan got popular, I just can't apply that for myself. It's like those boybands: They are incredibly popular and although you hate this kind of music and wonder why (your) kids go so crazy about them, you know the reasons that make their success possible (clever marketing, peer pressure, etc,), it's just that you wonder why those mechanics still work nevertheless.
The same applies to Hacksaw Jim Duggan. This man has absolutely no quality as a wrestler. But he can stick his thumb into the air and yell "USA" at about 12-USAs-per-minute and the authors/choreographers of the fights give him opportunites to fight against opponents that "attack the american values that Jim stands for". That concept works and makes him popular. I know the mechanics and I still wonder why so many people fell for that. So I "fail to see why he got popular" although I know why he got popular.
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jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 01, 2008 12:55 PM)
Hogan came on at a time when Rock N Roll was hot, and the cold war was at its height. His character and story line was what the American tv viewers needed. A real hero persona who fought the dark forces poised to destroy American moral and its country. When he defeated the Shiek who portrayed the Iranian character the American hero character was born. Hogan got over cause he had a story to tell, and it was rather simple and not complex like Flairs. Hogan was an attempt by Vince to sell the American dream to a multi-generational audience, which was very very successful. Stories that connect with people sell big with the average segment who watch wrestling. Look at the American Dream Dusty Rhodes. He was no looker, but his story, charisma, and character became legend. Its all about marketing and selling your gimmick. Flair sold a great gimmick, which far exceeded Hogan's. Flair was that guy who had attained the American dream, his story line proceeded Hogan's so he was always one step ahead of him. While hogan was preaching about you can do anything you want, Flair was doing anything he wanted. The limousines, the watches, the suits, the wardrobe, and the shoes all equaled up to achieving what most American's strive for. If you look at the two gimmick111cs, Hogan's persona was really just a response by Vince to compete with Flairs character. Often people will follow those chasing a title or a dream over those who have attained them. A good example of this is Dusty Rhodes three title reigns.
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hitfan — 17 years ago(July 05, 2008 10:44 AM)
I'm a fan of both wrestlers. I personally find Flair more entertaining, but Hogan was good as well.
Both were gimicky wrestlers (Hogan had his leg drop, hulking up while Flair did his numerous flops like a midget wrestler) but Flair was a better technical wrestler.
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jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 07, 2008 12:27 AM)
Flair was a great technician. As they say you could give ric a broom and he could make it look good. I think that attention to technicality is what is missing nowadays. Hogan did have a larger than life physique.
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SmutKing — 17 years ago(July 08, 2008 04:34 PM)
Flair and its not even close. He's the greatest ever with
2- Macho Man
3- The Rock
4- Andre the Giant
5- Hogan, unless tag teams count, then its the Road Warriors
"I'm Dr. Rockzo the rock n' roll clown, I DO COCAINE!!!!!