since Ric Flair and Hulk Hogan are both considered the legend of legends
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jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 01, 2008 12:55 PM)
Hogan came on at a time when Rock N Roll was hot, and the cold war was at its height. His character and story line was what the American tv viewers needed. A real hero persona who fought the dark forces poised to destroy American moral and its country. When he defeated the Shiek who portrayed the Iranian character the American hero character was born. Hogan got over cause he had a story to tell, and it was rather simple and not complex like Flairs. Hogan was an attempt by Vince to sell the American dream to a multi-generational audience, which was very very successful. Stories that connect with people sell big with the average segment who watch wrestling. Look at the American Dream Dusty Rhodes. He was no looker, but his story, charisma, and character became legend. Its all about marketing and selling your gimmick. Flair sold a great gimmick, which far exceeded Hogan's. Flair was that guy who had attained the American dream, his story line proceeded Hogan's so he was always one step ahead of him. While hogan was preaching about you can do anything you want, Flair was doing anything he wanted. The limousines, the watches, the suits, the wardrobe, and the shoes all equaled up to achieving what most American's strive for. If you look at the two gimmick111cs, Hogan's persona was really just a response by Vince to compete with Flairs character. Often people will follow those chasing a title or a dream over those who have attained them. A good example of this is Dusty Rhodes three title reigns.
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hitfan — 17 years ago(July 05, 2008 10:44 AM)
I'm a fan of both wrestlers. I personally find Flair more entertaining, but Hogan was good as well.
Both were gimicky wrestlers (Hogan had his leg drop, hulking up while Flair did his numerous flops like a midget wrestler) but Flair was a better technical wrestler.
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jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 07, 2008 12:27 AM)
Flair was a great technician. As they say you could give ric a broom and he could make it look good. I think that attention to technicality is what is missing nowadays. Hogan did have a larger than life physique.
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SmutKing — 17 years ago(July 08, 2008 04:34 PM)
Flair and its not even close. He's the greatest ever with
2- Macho Man
3- The Rock
4- Andre the Giant
5- Hogan, unless tag teams count, then its the Road Warriors
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jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 08, 2008 05:48 PM)
Hahahaa. That list you put together is very new school. If you are talking all time you are way off. You didn't mention Dusty, Roddy, Ric Steamboat, or Terry Funk. Most people who are wrestling buffs know that despite his recent hardcore appearance that Terry Funk is one of the all time greatest ring technicians. He is up their with the briscos, thez, and Race.
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jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 09, 2008 07:36 PM)
Your right smut. I am very sad that people didn't get to see Race or Terry wrestle in their primes. I didn't get to see Terry wrestle in his prime. Only on old pre recorded crap. The one thing I hope that doesn't happen is that we never see another wrestler like Flair. Was that the best ever? If so what is wrestling gonna be like for the new generations. Vince has pretty much buried all his talent behind corporate favoritism, so I doubt we will get to see another great star. I had high hopes for Carlito as well.
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SmutKing — 17 years ago(July 11, 2008 03:13 PM)
Yes, now we get John Cena shoved down our throats. I rarley watch WWE anymore and when I turn it on its always Cena with the hackey catch phrases and 2 wrestling moves. Guys like Kurt Angle or Carlito who can wrestle and perform get shoved to the side for guys who can't wrestle but their lame gimmick appels to ignorant masses.
"I'm Dr. Rockzo the rock n' roll clown, I DO COCAINE!!!!! -
jluvdr — 17 years ago(July 11, 2008 04:05 PM)
One of the best examples of what you are speaking of smutking is Greg Valentine. A very stiff worker, but at the same level or comparable to Nature Boy Ric Flair. He never got the nod as world champion cause of his look, but that man could put on one hell of a wrestling match. Cena could have been good as a Ric Flair copycat. IF they would have used his physique and work on the mic rather than exploiting marky mark and the funky bunch for his gimmick it might have worked. I always find it funny that I used to laugh at how horrible Greg Gagne and his father were at coming up with wrestling gimmicks. They had no sense of vision, and obviously never stepped out of the 1950's. I guess the writers in the WWE are stuck in the 1990's, and forgot that as cultures change so should gimmicks. Cause everyone knows that they view people like Cena as a wigger. He is to be ridiculed. Him not being a heel has hurt the business and him quit a lot. I would so love for Harley Race or someone of that caliber to take over the creative department. Stephanie has ruined the business.
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jbach1981 — 17 years ago(March 26, 2009 07:35 PM)
Flair by far he is a WRESTLER!! Hogan was the glitz that helped make wrestling what it is today but Flair had it all he could make a 60min match look great and make you hate him or love while cutting a promo. Flair was the best.
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scifi1980 — 16 years ago(March 31, 2010 11:07 PM)
I love Hogan, I never was a big Flair fan going back when I first started watching wrestling, the WWF specifically. Flair showed up in the WWF like the very same month I got into it.
After watching the stuff for 15 years, I kinda feel like they are equal. Flair was the better wrestler up until 1995 or so, then he too got into a repetitive funk like Hogan had been in since 1991.
Each guy does something a little better than the other, and I think it cancels eachother out and just degenerates down to if your a NWA/WCW Vs WWF guy.
Im a golden age WWF fan and a Hulkamaniac. I used to be a hopeless Maniac but ever since he ended up in the ****house? I have lost a bit of admiration for the guy.
Flair's got his own problems aswell.