Ann-Margret, Nicholson Fight Scene
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badponymedicine — 17 years ago(February 09, 2009 10:16 PM)
Let's not forget that earlier in the film, HE asked her to quit working! Said he made enough to take care of them. Granted, she wasn't happy in her job, but how many are?
On a side note, as far a ball-busters go, the second woman Sandy was withoh, man! And calling Ann Margret a 'fat tub of lard'? She may have gained weight for the role, but she was still far from fat!!!! She and Nicholson were the two I would have loved to have punched in the kisser. Nicholson saw women as ball-busters because he lacked total control over them, even though he seemed to choose weak women who would 'worship' him. -
Noir-It-All — 15 years ago(July 24, 2010 08:10 PM)
/On a side note, as far a ball-busters go, the second woman Sandy was withoh, man! And calling Ann Margret a 'fat tub of lard'?/
That character scared me!
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Pzachlen — 9 years ago(May 26, 2016 05:03 PM)
Do you not realize that woman in the 70's were not thought as fashionable with huge jugs and hips. So any woman that strives to be skin and bones is ahead of the game.Women even wore bras to flatten them out.
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mwromano-793-127406 — 12 years ago(December 14, 2013 12:51 AM)
She was fat for that time period. Everyone smoked 2 or 3 packs a day back then, and most were very thin as a result. Now of course, everyone has stopped smoking, and were all 20 or 30 lbs. overweight. So now we get heart disease instead of lung cancerAnd yes most guys in their 20's are still about getting laid..Boys start talking the way they did at about 16 or 17..And it really never ends. Even after marriage and kids-and even if they are faithful to their wives..That is how much women continue to invade mens minds..I even remember my dad talking about how I needed to work harder at getting certain girls he found attractive when I was 14 or 15He wasn't explicit about it like they are in this movie, but the idea was just the same!! What women/girls don't seem to understand is that men/boys think about sex every 14 seconds on average; while they are only like that a few days a month-UNless of course you can get them to loosen up by alcohol or some other stimulant that gets rid of their inhibitionsWhat I found int. is that when I was that age, if I did get to that point of 2nd or 3rd base-that is where I had to draw the line-Did I want to be friends. Because if I did, then I needed to stop. In fact, that happened several times-I chose friendship over sexI am still amazed to this day, because I know I would have "gotten away with it"..And I never stole a friends girl..unlike many of my friends..I always found that really wrong!!
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gschwertley — 13 years ago(January 20, 2013 08:05 PM)
Yes, without meaning to be condescending, I think this film cannot be fully appreciated until a bit later in one's life. By that time, most people have had the life experience of the frustrations and disappointments of relationships.
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liscarkat-2 — 13 years ago(March 05, 2013 11:38 AM)
"it's chauvanistic to tell a woman to get a job?!"
Not at all. He's frustrated because all she does is lie around all day and won't even make the bed. Nothing sexist about that. He's just sick of the BS and wants her to get her act together. -
shadycady — 13 years ago(March 09, 2013 05:47 AM)
Jonathan told her to quit her job, and he said that he had enough money to support the two of them. Bobbie quit her job, and she became bored with life staying at home to wait on him. She was older than him, and she stuck around in hope of him marrying her. She thought that she didn't have that many options available, and by getting married she would have found her brass ring. She found her identity through him, and by having a relationship it validated her self-worth through him. Therefore, she stayed in the relationship no matter how demeaning it became. She probably would have settled for anyone by then. His character was never satisfied with any woman no matter how beautiful, and he always found the flaws and not the positive side to them. Susan was too sharp, and Bobbie was too dumb and a doormat. Cindy was a "ballbuster". What the hell did he want anyway? His standards were too high, but yet he didn't even see his flaws.
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joshua_carpino — 13 years ago(March 20, 2013 12:55 AM)
liscarkat-2,somebody else said it was chauvanistic to tell a woman to get a job and i was reacting to that(note the "?!" in my post). shadycady,jonathon himself admitted his problem:the only person who could make him happy was himself.
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shadycady — 13 years ago(March 20, 2013 06:29 AM)
He ended up alone, and his only self-gratification was hiring a prostitute who told him how great he was because he couldn't get it up anymore. I don't think he was happy. He didn't know how to make himself happy.
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Donna2.0 — 2 months ago(January 16, 2026 02:15 AM)
Very chauvinistic, but fantastic and a great scene from its time. Every time I hear it I'd wonder what move it was from - I finally found out today after doing a search here.
I was unprepared for how that argument escalated. I'm not surprised at watching Nicholson lose his **** cuz I've seen it a lot of times in plenty of his later work.
It's just how the character went from his normal reserved personality into THAT!
It was outstanding. And you feel his pain but at the same time hate his guts for treating her that way.
Put a muzzle on Tits Malone, PI