VS the Musical version
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profh-1 — 13 years ago(October 18, 2012 10:05 AM)
I'm amazed it took me this long to see this film. I've seen "MY FAIR LADY" 3 times. It's one of the few musicals where I love both the story and the music; usually I love one and hate the other. (Examples: "WEST SIDE STORY", I love the music but hate the story; "GUYS AND DOLLS", I love the story but can't remember a single song in it they just get in the way!)
The one thing that has always bothered me about "MY FAIR LADY" from the start was Audrey Hepburn. When I learned her singing had all been dubbed by someone else, that made it even worse. Then I happened to see a documentary on PBS about Broadway, which included 2 songs from the play. It brought tears to my eyes. Julie Andrews was SO MUCH BETTER!!! The next day, I bought the original cast CD. The studio were idiots for not having Julie Andrews in the film. (Then again, they didn't want Rex Harrison or Stanley Holloway either!)
It was fascinating to see pretty much the identical story, only without the songs. It certainly moves along much faster this way. And yes, I don't recall any mention in the musical of Eliza being brilliant when it comes to phonetics, which I did notice in the original film. I think it safe to say that both Higgins and Pickering are better in the original, as well as Wendy Hiller. (Until this, the only thing I'd ever seen her in was "MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS", as "Princess Dragomiroff".) But I did prefer Jeremy Brett as Freddy. He seemed believbably sympathetic. The Freddy in the '38 version is just too exagerated of a charicature. As someone said, "Upper Class Twit Of The Year".
I think Stanley Holloway also stood out more in the remake, particularly the scene where he's goin on about "I'm dyin' t' tell ya!" They also added a scene to the remake where Higgins is seen writing a letter about Doolittle, which sets up the surprise later on when Doolittle tells how his life has been "ruined". -
schuhj — 14 years ago(June 08, 2011 10:33 PM)
If you are reading this: Well said. Hiller puts everyone else in the shade. No one I know has put done the role as well, certainly nothing photopgraphed. As for the character's quick ascension:made plausible by her father's like transformation. As Shaw intends us to think. Agree with all except the evaluation of Shaw. But I love his stuff, and charmed to learn he had a hand in the movie. "Pygmalian" was the first professional play performance I ever saw. That was almost sixty years ago.
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iamthescottie — 16 years ago(July 05, 2009 02:06 AM)
i dont really like the musical version, i thought it was kind of boring, i just didnt really think it was great, to me it was like, i was suppose to like it because it was old, and audrey hepburn was in it, but i just didnt really,i think i would like this better
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lvanett2 — 16 years ago(December 23, 2009 08:50 AM)
Much, much, MUCH better than the oh-so-boring My Fair Lady. That version is too long, too many songs, too much bad acting, just hate it on all levels. The only change I would make is improve Hiller's Caulkney.
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rodin_indi — 16 years ago(January 02, 2010 01:41 PM)
This version is miles ahead of my fair lady. and as dmacdonald3 said i can not understand this fascination over Audrey. moreover i think she overacted a bit whether it was because its a musical or she just couldn't act right i do not know and in one scene it is most apparent is when she is invited to prof. Higgins' mother's house. Hiller was super hilarious in that scene and very natural, while Audrey was like one of those "carry on.." movie character.
one trivia. guess who plays Freddy in MFL.. (clue- think of new Downey jr. movie) -
laddiebuck — 16 years ago(March 09, 2010 02:15 AM)
I've just watched the musical version. It is about as moving as agricultural policy and about that believable. It is a colossal letdown after Pygmalion. To me, Eliza is Wendy Hiller and there can be no other. And whilst I might just imagine another actor playing Professor Higgins, it could only be by an identical performance to Leslie Howard's. Even good old Wilfrid Hyde-White was slightly ridiculous as Pickering in the musical film, but Scott Sunderland was perfect. And Mrs. Pearce and Mrs. Higgins both shine in their roles in Pygmalion, but they don't merit a second glance in My Fair Lady.
I don't really think you can top Pygmalion any more, because Shaw himself wrote the screenplay and worked with the actors and actresses. You might in a thousand years get such talent together again in the cast, but even then the best they could hope to achieve would be by copying every gesture and expression and inflection in Pygmalion. It's really a perfect picture. -
guybland-1 — 15 years ago(November 29, 2010 01:15 PM)
I wouldn't exactly characterize the musical as boring. It's a musical, not a movie. And musicals, as a genre, fall into two basic categories for viewers: you either hate them or you love them. Lerner's lyrics are nothing short of brilliant, but if you're not a fan of musicals, you simply won't like this telling of the story.
As for Hepburn, she was cast in the role of Eliza because the studio wanted a big name. And although Julie Andrews had solidified the role on stage and was an obvious choice in the film, the producers didn't think she would be a big enough draw. In the end, the one glaring flaw in the musical was indeed Hepburn. She could not sing, and, as many have pointed out, she was unable to capture the inherent vulgarity of Eliza's character.
Harrison, on the other hand, was, I think, well-cast in the film. He had already garnered a Tony for his stage performance as Higgins, and for his portrayal of the callous, egomaniacal professor in the film, he was awarded an Oscar. -
CorumJI — 11 years ago(July 27, 2014 05:34 AM)
Harrison, on the other hand, was, I think, well-cast in the film. He had already garnered a Tony for his stage performance as Higgins, and for his portrayal of the callous, egomaniacal professor in the film, he was awarded an Oscar.
I made my case against Harrison's interpretation much earlier in this thread, and I stand by it. As far as Tonys and Oscars, well, in my experience, the Oscar voters get things wrong much more often than they get them right. The 90s was the only decade with more accurate choices than misses. Can't say much about the Tonys, I don't follow Broadway, but if Harrison won for playing Higgins as he did in the film, I will say the Tony voters were as incompetent at judging a skilled performance as the Oscar voters, for that year at least.
As far as your assertion about musicals, I disagree there, too. While I would not say musicals are my favorite form of filmed entertainment, I certainly don't have a problem with them. I will ack I prefer Fosse's later style of the form
Cabaret
, and
All That Jazz
, most notably, to almost all of the sixties-style musicals (
The Music Man
being an exception). But I can't say I dislike the MUSIC in MFL, only its presence in a play that, in terms of timing and flow can't possibly be improved upon, only detracted (and distracted) from, due to Shaw's talents as a playwright.
And yes, I grasp that the studio wanted a "big name", but that is idiots meddling in things they don't grasp. Andrews would have been vastly greater than Hepburn because, just as with Hiller, while she is capable of appearing quite attractive, she can also do "plain jane" much, much better than Hepburn ever could. -
filmfan86 — 15 years ago(June 06, 2010 05:43 PM)
I've always liked My Fair Lady, but not loved it - its pretty long for a musical. I only just saw Pygmalion for the first time last week (well, I could say twice because I loved it so much I immediately watched it again!!!) - I immediately and absolutely fell in love with Pygmalion - I just thought it was so wonderful, clever - and funny! (i had no idea it would be so hilarious!) and I think the scenes between Leslie Howard and Wendy Hiller were far better than between Rex Harrison and Audrey Hepburn. I'm a big fan of both Hepburn (esp Roman Holiday) and Harrison (esp The Ghost and Mrs Muir) - and now I'm a great fan of Leslie Howard - (pity his films are so hard to find in Australia, save GWTW).
- but i was pleased to see a young Jeremy Brett in the musical version as Freddy (he's a brilliant Sherlock Holmes)
So I would definately vote for Pygmalion - just a wonderful wonderful film!!!
Do you have monkeys in Scotland?
~No, but if we did we'd probably deep fry them!
- but i was pleased to see a young Jeremy Brett in the musical version as Freddy (he's a brilliant Sherlock Holmes)
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hachmom-1 — 15 years ago(June 13, 2010 12:57 PM)
I like the musical of my fair lady very muchbut not the film because Audrey Hepburns casting is fatal to its credibilty as several others have noted.I suspect the film would have been better with Julie Andrews, esp as it would have been her film debut and she would not have been familiar to audiences.(and at least Julie was English)That said, the film of Pygmalian was perfect, probably Leslie Howards best work on film, and a brilliant starmaking performance for Dame Wendy.
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Joshieboyucla — 14 years ago(April 08, 2011 10:34 PM)
I had no idea that "My Fair Lady" was a remake of "Pygmalion." I had no idea what "Pygmalion" was even about! I had been told again and again to watch "My Fair Lady," by peers, friends, enemies, and even pop culture. One day I attempted to watch it My Fair Lady and two minutes into it I had to stop, mainly because of Audrey Hepburn's accent; it was odd, squeaky, like nails on a chalkboard. It vexed me terribly, and dissuaded me completely from going forth into a film bleeding with color, music and movie stars.
but then I saw "Pygmalion," with Leslie Howard . . it had been on my list for many moons, and oh what a pleasant surprise. A truly nice, pleasant, intelligent film that just flows, solely focusing on the important, not dragging on, cohesive and with great dialogue and acting. Amazing. Absolutely glad I didn't watch "My Fair Lady," prior to watching this.
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mr_peabody_70 — 14 years ago(December 06, 2011 12:13 PM)
Elisa's cockney accent was supposed to be irritating. Higgins describes it as a bilious pigeon, ear-piercing, detestable, and so on.
Although Hiller was fantastic in this movie, I could hardly find her accent irritating at all. Yes, Audrey's cockney was not right, but through MFL you see a transformation that includes the way she speaks into a more lady-like.
As much as I liked this movie, I found the reading of the book much more interesting. As for the acting that everyone is praising so much, at times I found it too soft and somewhat bland. The actor that played Freddy is a joke. He seems to be retarded. -
Emmywins305 — 12 years ago(December 25, 2013 10:51 PM)
I agree that Pygmalion is better-paced with generally better acting and directing, but I actually thought Hepburn's Eliza was much harsher and more vulgar than Hiller's Eliza in the beginning. As someone mentioned above, Hiller's cockney is hardly annoying or vulgar-sounding, and her transformation into a lady isn't as surprising. Her cockney is more convincing, but she doesn't come off as loud and vulgar as Hepburn. As a result, Hepburn's transformation is technically much more stunning than Hiller's, as the contrast between Hepburn's flower girl and lady performances is much more dramatic and profound.
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Pogo_76 — 12 years ago(September 04, 2013 01:08 PM)
I agree with this whole thread.
This movie really amazed me. It was so powerful and I agree, it showed that Eliza was intelligent from the start and was very talented at learning.
I watched My Fair lady two days after watching this version twice. I had watched My Fair Lady on several occasions before but for me it was always just some musical.
When I watched Pygmalion I was like "My George, I finally got it". After watching this movie, you realize how much less powerful My Fair Lady is when you THEN see My fair Lady again. -
pierce-mn1 — 12 years ago(March 03, 2014 06:59 PM)
My Fair Lady is one of the greatest musicals of the American Theatre, and the film is good, although, as lovely as she is in it, Audrey Hepburn is miscast as Eliza. Wendy Hiller was chosen by Shaw himself to portray Liza, and she is, of course, one of Britain's greatest. If you don't believe me, see her in I Know Where I'm Going, Major Barbara, Separate Tables, A Man For All Seasons and The Elephant Man.
Leslie Howard played Higgins the year before he was cast as Ashley Wilkes, a role he always hated. He co-directed this film with Anthony Asquith.
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PygmyLion — 5 months ago(October 11, 2025 03:45 PM)
I prefer
Pygmalion
(1938) to
My Fair Lady
(1964). It is a little like comparing apples to pears, as Pygmalion is a play and My Fair Lady is a musical version of that play.
I prefer Leslie Howard to Rex Harrison as Prof. Higgins. Howard is quite outstanding in his role. Of course, I haven't noticed Howard in a singing role. Wendy Hiller is also outstanding as Eliza Doolittle, but Audrey Hepburn is good in her role and very pretty. Of course, they dubbed Hepburn's voice for the singing part - which doesn't always fit well.
I think the supporting cast was chosen with a lot of care for
Pygmalion
. I think Marie Lohr really shines as Mrs.Higgins. Scott Sunderland has a nice, dignified look as Colonel Pickering which works well. While I am a fan of Jeremy Brett in his Sherlock Holmes shows, I think that David Tree is more how I envision Freddy. The Scottish maid, played by Jean Cabell, stands out also.
Of course, in
My Fair Lady
, Higgins tests Eliza by taking her to the Ascot horse races, while in
Pygmalion
we visit Higgin's mother for tea. The Ascot race scene is fairly amusing. They use some of the dialog from the tea party in the play at the Ascot, although it doesn't come off quite as well. The dialog at the tea with Higgin's mother in
Pygmalion
is quite outstanding. I like both.
The music in
My Fair Lady
is some of the best for musicals of that period. It is also a little bit nostalgic for me, as my parents played the record album of
My Fair Lady
a lot when I was a child back in the 1960s. It's not really my genre of music, although I do like it. One could see that for someone really into the music, that it could cause them to prefer
My Fair Lady
. That is not me though, and I do think the music does make
My Fair Lady
drag some - 2 hours and 50 minutes. Meanwhile,
Pygmalion
has nice pacing just like the play.
Overall,
Pygmalion
is one of my favorite movies and I would put it in my top 10 movies of all time.
My Fair Lady
is also very good. I would give it a rating of at least 8/10, and that given that I am not a fan of musicals in general.