Is Eli Manning the most overrated QB in history?
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Xeliou66 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 07:03 PM)
Um, he had a great defense for both Super Bowl wins, and he had solid receivers as well, in 2011 he had Cruz, Hakeem Nick and Mario Manningham. He had Plaxico Burress and Amani Toomer in 2007. Now he has OBJ, Cruz and Shepard. He has always had very strong receivers. He hasn't really had a big named RB since Tiki Barber retired but they've never been bad at the position either, they've always done a decent RB by committee in the years they've been successful.
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Xeliou66 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 07:34 PM)
Um, in 2007 they went 10-6.
Um, in 2011 they went 9-7.
Um, neither team was great.
Um, both teams had strong defense in their wins, especially in the playoffs.
Um, both teams held Tom Brady to a combined 31 points in the 2 Super Bowls.
Um, both teams got really lucky to win the Super Bowl.
Um, the defense and luck was more important to winning the Super Bowl than Eli Manning.
Um, had Philip Rivers been the QB of those teams like he should've been, he would've made the offense better and the teams more impressive. -
jimanchower — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 07:49 PM)
You said:
"Um, he had a great defense for both Super Bowl wins"
Now you're saying neither team was "great"?
So the 17th and 25th ranked defenses weren't "great"?
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Why'd you say there were "great" then Lou?
So if the 25th ranked defense is "great" what does that make a 9th ranked offense like they had in 2011? Really really really great?
If having the 17th ranked defense is "great" does that mean having the 14th ranked offense is super duper double secret probation great?
The Giants offense were ranked higher than their D both their SB years.
You sure know a lot about football Lou.
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HollywoodWolfman1 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 08:21 PM)
I wouldn't put that Giants defense in '07 in a class with like Baltimore in '00 or Tampa in '02 or whatever, but that defense was really, really good.
The points against numbers are sort of skewed by them giving up 80 points in the first two games. But look what they did in their last ten games up to and including the NFC title game. Only New England, a historically good offense, really put up numbers against them. Minnesota put 41 on them, but with 3 defensive TDs.
That was one of the better units in the league after those first two rough games. They led the league in sacks.
Nothing against Eli. He had a good playoff that year for sure. But holding 3 of the 4 best offenses that year to 20 or fewer points and an average of about 300 yards when you play 3 road games and one of the best offenses of all time is pretty special. -
HollywoodWolfman1 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 08:29 PM)
Eh, subjective term obviously. I would say they played great in the playoffs considering the offenses they were facing.
But again, I don't exactly see that as some knock against Eli. It's not like he was Peyton last year or something like that. He was obviously a huge part of that Super Bowl run. -
jimanchower — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 08:36 PM)
Playing great and being great are two different things.
Eli Manning played great during their SB runs too.
So by your logic he's a great QB, right?
The Giants got hot at exactly the right time. They were a good team that was playing great. Not a great team.
The 2006 Colts D was awful during the regular season..but they played great in the playoffs..nobody in their right mind would say the 2006 Colts had a great D. And I only bring up the 2006 Colts because I'm obviously a huge Colts fan.
You're agreeing with what I'm saying so you don't need to convince me. I didn't take your comments as a knock against Manning. He's a good sometimes very good QB that can also play like crap. He's in the top third IMO but not great. I'd put him with guys like Flacco, Rivers and Cam Newton. Put a good team around them and you'll winbut they can't carry a team. -
HollywoodWolfman1 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 08:59 PM)
So by your logic he's a great QB, right?
I'm not saying that. I mean Joe Flacco had an all-time playoff run a few years ago and I don't think he's a great QB.
My point was that I personally feel that defense was a lot better than 17th in league Points allowed makes them seems. They were 7th in yardage and 1st in sacks, and if you look game by game they were very good far more often than not. 17th in PA make them seem mediocre. I don't feel this was a mediocre defense. -
jimanchower — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 09:06 PM)
I didn't say it was mediocre.
I said it wasn't great.
You agree with me so I'm not sure why you keep responding as if I'm arguing with you.
The Giants had a good D that got hot and played great.
Just like they had a good QB that got hot and played great.
They were good teams that got hot, played great and won two SB. Not great teams, defensively or offensively. -
HollywoodWolfman1 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 09:12 PM)
I'm just trying to beef up the number of posts in this thread to see how many we can get before someone says Namath or Bradshaw was the most overrated.
Usually a thread with "most overrated QB in history" in the title would've had their names splattered all over this thread after like 10 posts. This many posts without it is like riding a rodeo bull for like 25 minutes. -
weststigersbob — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 08:04 PM)
Overrated ? Hardly. If he mentioned in the same bracket as Montana, Elway, Favre, Young, Brady etc, then yeah. But I've never seen him put in that bracket of QB's.
I think he's an above average QB whose won two SB's and he's done enough in his career to justify being called a good QB. He will never be an "all time great" or a "GOAT", but he's achieved more than most QBs ever will.
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Xeliou66 — 9 years ago(December 23, 2016 08:09 PM)
When have I ever said Cam is great? Show me, I haven't. Cam isn't great. He's a good QB but not a great one, he's not elite either. However he did have a great year last year with less talent at receiver than Eli has. If he was the QB of the Giants he would do a better job than Eli and they would score more points instead of winning through their defense like they've done this year.