The one where Ramsay planted a dead mouse.
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judsonkr — 11 years ago(July 27, 2014 02:34 PM)
I know you think you are cute and all but it really dos not fly.
What you seem to not understand is that he does not HAVE to plant things and make stuff up. Think he really carries a dead mouse around in his pocket just to "get" the owners? Really?
If there were a need to do it he just might but he does not need to.
All this stuff is easy to find in any number of places you go.
It is like the hoaxtards who think the moon-landing was a fake.
Really? They managed to pull off a fake moon landing and then went on to fake it 5 more times?
It is entirely unnecessary.
If he was at your restaurant and found a mouse I imagine you would try to convince folks he planted it too.
Ever heard of Occam's Razor? Learn it.
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Bobby Briggs Briganza — 11 years ago(July 31, 2014 09:45 AM)
I like how you just repeated the same point as the person above you, only it took you 3 times as much space to do it.
You need to read between the lines of IMDb posters like me - something Occams Razor wont help you with.
The implications not that Ramsay actually carried in a dead mouse and planted it there. I/we are being facetious about that, an exaggeration to ridicule Ramsays over-the-top drama-creation.
As you repeat from the poster above you, Ramsay doesnt have to plant a mouse because they are not uncommon.
So: If they are not uncommon, why did he go into such histrionics when he saw it? Why did he raise his voice like a screaming ninny and wave the mouse all around the restaurant? Why did he place
such a degree of shame
upon the restaurant workers if, as you say, mice are fairly common and therefore not indicative of
such an extreme degree of
ridicule?
Rambutt, as usual (cf. his fake puking histrionics)
manufactured the drama in this situation.
He did not manufacture the drama by literally carrying a mouse to the restaurant and placing it there. Me claiming, facetiously, that he did so is a way of expressing that the drama he manufactured, by running around screaming with the mouse and then bullying the guy, amounts to nearly the same thing.
So now you have an explanation of how sometimes people say things they dont mean literally. You know your Occams Razor? About the simplest solution? Well, if someone is saying something that common sense dictates doesnt make sense, the simplest solution is not that they are a nutcase, but rather that they are deliberately saying that as part of sarcasm, parody, irony, etc.
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logan-duk-dong — 11 years ago(July 31, 2014 11:23 AM)
I mean literally. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ramsay or one of his crew walked around with a dead mouse in a bag in his/her pocket, or found one out on the street and kicked it into the front door then gave the camera guy a look so he could come over and get a good shot of it before Ramsay swings by to do his thing.
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clytamnestra — 10 years ago(July 07, 2015 12:25 PM)
I agree. I've watched a few episodes of this show and it's just too convenient that the whole thing always follows the same scenario: the place is always filthy, the food always tastes horrible, etc. Surely at least some of the chefs would have taken a cue from previous seasons and made sure their restaurant was spotless clean when Ramsay arrived.
I'm pretty certain the crew carries a few trays of rotten gunk around to throw in the freezer when the owner isn't looking. There may be some clueless owners with fridges full of old stuff, but i think most of the suprised 'wut, how can that possibly be in there, we clean all the time' reactions are sincere. -
logan-duk-dong — 11 years ago(July 31, 2014 11:34 AM)
Ever heard of Occam's Razor? Learn it.
Maybe if you watch just one episode. How about we take a step back and consider 5 seasons of Kitchen Nightmares and throw in 12 of Hell's Kitchen for good measure. I don't imagine things look much better if we include however many seasons of Masterchef and Hotel Hell. And then of course there's all the lawsuits and accusations of staging
We're talking about a guy who goes on national TV and flat out proclaims he expects "the best chefs in America", when everyone watching knows he
never
brings in the best chefs. Someone who makes people drink shakes made from animal parts thrown into a blender as a form of punishment. Sounds like something from Fear Factor.
His shows are about confrontation and fake drama. That's it. And what better way to do that than find the nastiest, most hopeless restaurants and whip up a miraculous turnaround for the camera, when in reality the restaurant folds 2 weeks later. And if things aren't so nasty, well then maybe they need some creative intervention to spice it up
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logan-duk-dong — 11 years ago(July 31, 2014 06:26 PM)
Well, it's not a terribly difficult choice Unlimited power vs watching people who don't know how to cook taking part in cooking competitions lead by someone who doesn't care if people can cook.
We need to stop this guy before it's too late. If he makes it to HK season 15 it'll unleash the Ogdru Jahad. I'm thinking a brazen daytime snatch and grab should do the trick. We'll run the van right through the pen where the Mexican pumpkin movers live and into Hell's Kitchen. Ramsay will be too busy bouncing around on his toes and screaming about donkeys and fat cows to notice what's happening, and before he knows it he'll be bound, gagged, and blindfolded and starting out on the most amazing VIP restaurant tour. We'll make a quick pit stop at silverr8c's house to deliver Ramsay's watches before going to Food Network, where we'll Clockwork Orange his eyes open and force him to watch real chefs cook in a kitchen that's free of dead mice and old shoes. -
themousewasplanted — 10 months ago(May 23, 2025 07:35 AM)
You have had eleven years to think about what you did. Occam's Razor, more like dumbass taser. The mouse was OBVIOUSLY FAKE!!!!!! Did you really look at THAT piece of felt on the ground and think it was REAL?? You probably think that the word 'gullible' is written on your ceiling RIGHT NOW (it is. look up.)!!!!!!!!!! See the fake mouse. Read in between the lines – read the room, read the mouse. Read the writing on the mouse. Look at that rubber ass fake ass tail – probably filled with as much rubber as the Botox lodged into the creases of your forehead. Maybe not faker than your marriage, that's a pretty hard one to compete against. You're probably – no, I shouldn't say it. I should be mature. And not get in trouble on the internet or say mean things. Because I am a kind hearted sweetheart who LOVES people who believe, as well as I, that the rat was FAKE!!!! Gordon is an evil conniving manipulating TWAT. He wanted to discriminate against the lovely, beautiful women who ran such a lovely, purple, purple, establishment. I cannot believe that you would stoop this low – you don't even know. Rat? FAKE!!!!!!!!!!
And I still have more to say…
Eleven years. Judson, if that's even your REAL NAME. It's probably fake. You know what else is fake? THE RAT!!!! THE RAT!!!!!! I KNOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!! AND YOU KNOW IT TOO!!!! YOU JUST WANT TO START DISCOURSE ON THE INTERNET.
God loves you, even if I don't. He loves you, but maybe not enough if He allowed you to believe that rat was real and not planted. Today is the day I need the warmth of God's love. He spoke to me and told me that the rat was fake. You dare go against the Lord's will? Wow. Wow, just wow, Judson. That's not your name. I know it.
Oh wow, oh wow. - Steve Jobs
That is what He said when He found out that user judsonkr on one thousand year old website filmboards said that the rat was not planted. He agrees with me. Why don't you? Why can't we be friends?
AND ANOTHER THING. YOU POSTED THIS LIKE FOUR DAYS BEFORE MY BIRTHDAY WHICH MAKES ME SAD
and my friend's grandma died like two months after and I know it's your fault because you said the rat wasn't planted. That rat was fake and it probably would have made her so happy to see such an adorable, darling prop. By the way his name is Ben and he is awesome – not my grandma, MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!
AND ALSO> ANOTHER. BY THE WAY. MY FRIEND's FRIEND MOVED AWAY SHORTLY AFTER THIS POST WAS MADE – WHY DO YOU DO THIS???? WHY IS IT ALL YOUR FAULT???? IF ONLY YOU BELIEVED IN RAT. RUBBER RAT. FAKE RAT.
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gilbert_gumphrey — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 08:00 AM)
Just watching it right now the biggest clue is that there were 2 cameras in 2 different angles when he walked in and found the mouse. If they weren't expecting it, why cram 2 cameramen in a doorway that Ramsay can't even comfortably walk through? Why so many angles on him just entering a restaurant for dinner service unless, of course, you KNOW it's going to be a very important moment?
I like Ramsay and I like this show, but I also really liked that the Blackberry's guys said "Nah, you planted it for TV". Ramsay didn't bring the mouse in, but the people running the show absolutely did, and as always, the insistence on having many different angles and camera set-up's for "the important bits" blows the secret. -
GraceFromSoCal — 11 years ago(March 20, 2015 12:26 PM)
why cram 2 cameramen in a doorway
You're obviously not familiar with how the show was filmed. They place cameras around the restaurant so they don't have to deal with the intrusiveness of cameramen everywhere. There are still cameramen, but the stationary cameras do a lot of the filming.
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ranran-001 — 11 years ago(March 22, 2015 07:07 PM)
Why would a restaurant want to be known as the one that has dead mice in and around the place? Even one of the workers in the episode said there was a dead mouse behind one of the ovens in the kitchen. Staged or not, there are certain things I as an owner would not want any part of, nor would anyone else, free publicity is a good thing as long as it doesn't entail being known as the restaurant with the filthy kitchen and vermin running about.
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gilbert_gumphrey — 11 years ago(March 23, 2015 08:39 AM)
The producers wouldn't tell the restaurant in advance "We're planning on planting a mice here by the way". But the producers will say "Play up the drama, fight back a bit, don't clean your kitchens beforehand if you do all these things, we'll spend 30 grand on renovating your restaurant".
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GraceFromSoCal — 11 years ago(March 23, 2015 01:32 PM)
Both of the shots were handheld and reacted to Ramsay's actions, sosolid effort, but no dice.
I haven't seen the episode in a long time so I don't know why you're so confident that the shots were from handheld cameras. If/when I watch it again I'll pay attention to that particular part. In the meantime, I'm quite confident that remotely-controlled, stationary cameras are very capable of catching close-up actions. Have you watched any of those [totally fake] shows like "Mystery Diners" or "Restaurant Stakeout?" If so, you're aware of what I'm describing.
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gilbert_gumphrey — 11 years ago(March 23, 2015 02:31 PM)
I felt confident because I made my post literally while I was watching the episode at the same time. But just to make sure, I went back and looked again.
You're right in that there is also a stationary camera in there. But there is also at LEAST two handheld cameras in the same area one covers a wide just outside the entrance, one is a medium shot in the entrance, and another seems to be covering close-up's of the mouse itself (not to mention a shot outside when Ramsey first enters, although that admittedly could've been filmed at another time).
But if all of these shots happened at that time, without going back to pick-up shots, that means for the one supposedly "normal, nothing's-gonna-happen" shot of Ramsey entering the restaurant, he had 5 camera's on him. 5!!!!
That sure seems fishy to me, man. Cause I'm with ya, I can tell when they use the stationary cameras (the resolution is always a little less good). And in fact, shows like Mystery Diners and Restaurant Stakeout made me realize how fake all of these shows are sadly, including Ramsey's.
Did you ever watch the British version? There's an episode called Oscar's where the cook literally passes out and has to be taken to the hospital, butit's not captured on camera. That's life; sometimes the most dramatic things are happening when Ramsey and the camera crew are in a different room.
But that's the kind of thing you NEVER see on the American version; those camera's pick up everything,t all the time, and sometimes you can even see them filming it in a wide shot with the stationary ones, then a close-up where the stationaries would've shown he camera guys, but magically they weren't there before. Or wide-shots of an argument outside a restaurant, then suddenly BAM close ups of the same fight, except the camera guys would clearly have been in the wide, but suddenly, they're not. Pick-up shots, just like any film would do. It got more and more prevalent as the show progressed.
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GraceFromSoCal — 11 years ago(March 23, 2015 11:13 PM)
Thanks for the update. Yes, that definitely does seem suspiciousI mean, WHY would they need a bunch of cameras just to catch Ramsay coming in the front door one day, right? I normally delete this episode without re-watching it, because it's not one of my favorites, but the next time it records I'll watch it.
I've seen all the UK episodes, and know exactly what you're referring to with the son/chef at Oscar's. But what about the server at Fish and Anchor? She fell and was knocked unconscious; this was on the way out of the kitchen, and we heard the fall, and the cameras immediately panned over to the commotion.
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gilbert_gumphrey — 11 years ago(March 24, 2015 02:09 PM)
It's funny, cause so many times they ruin the illusion of "reality" simply by overdoing it. The original BBC show might've been just as fake, or at least manipulated, but because it was filmed in such a low-key manner, I've never really questioned it. But when Fox demands 17 different camera angles on all the action so they can cut every 2 seconds for us poor ADD-affliced youngsters, it makes the suspension of belief that much harder.
I'd forgotten about the Fish and Anchor episode, true. But that's the thing with a couple camera guys running around, you'll probably catch most of the major events anyway. Why Fox overdoes it to the point of looking riduculous, I don't really understand
also reminds me, actually, of stuff like Restaurant Stakeout and Mystery Diners. For a while, I believed it, but it's the simple stuff where they just can't leave it well enough alone that makes the fakery obvious. Say, if everyone in the restaurant HAD to be subtitled, cause you couldn't hear them at all; that makes sense, and I'd believe it. But when you can hear everyone talk in the restaurant, well, it means they must be miked, which means it's fake.
Goofiness
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GraceFromSoCal — 11 years ago(March 24, 2015 07:03 PM)
OMFG! Don't even get me started on the
ultra-fake
Mystery Diners and Restaurant Stakeout! (Well, if you're interested, you can plod through their boards. I know I posted myumTHOUGHTS about them some time ago.
) I thought they were real, too, until an episode or two in.
Regarding the camera overkill with Fox on KN, I agree, it's a bit much. But I've always chalked up the differences between RKN and KN as being due to America's [real or perceived] need for 'excitement' and conflict. When I watch RKN now, its whole demeanor is just so DIFFERENT from KN. For one thing, I like that Ramsay did the narration himself. And any 'drama' seemed genuine, and stemmed from real relationshipslike the bickering couple from Fish and Anchor. KN, on the other hand, is way too focused on conflict and drama. It's like, WTF?! Whatever happened to the COOKING part of this RESTAURANT-themed show?!
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