was gacy a homosexuel?
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movieman_kev — 20 years ago(April 05, 2006 02:14 PM)
oh no, not in the least bit, just that alot of serial killers that i've studied up on tend to be of that persausion, it's not to infer that homsexuals are all serial killers. THAT statement would be simply insane and over the top. If I had offended anyoneone who took my statement the wrong way, i appologize profusely.
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millsyooksy — 10 years ago(December 01, 2015 06:44 PM)
Ed Gein was not homosexual. He was obsessed with his mother, or so they say.
Ummm, most serial killers kill women and then have sex with their corpses.Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, Eddy Kemper. Most are straight. -
TheDraytonSawyer — 19 years ago(April 17, 2006 09:50 PM)
I don't know exactly what he was, but I can say one thing about him. He was one crazy man. After seeing his movie it scares me to know that someone really did all that. He acted like such a nice guy, but he really wasn't.
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kent_reitzel — 19 years ago(April 19, 2006 11:40 PM)
i've done lots of research on serial killers seeing as I will be joining the FBI soon and it one book it says he admits in a court room that he is NOT homosexual but a PROUD BISEXUAL he did have a wife but she left him.. took the kids too because he was doing bad stuff and she knew it. Hopes this clears it up for you.
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T-Wicks — 19 years ago(April 22, 2006 05:41 AM)
.though he still never preyed on women as far as I know.
There had to be something about his attraction to men, or the power relationship he had with male victims as women are generally weaker and wouldve been easier to subdue. -
pope_duke — 19 years ago(May 11, 2006 08:13 AM)
For what it's worth (as I am not a trained or licensed behavorial psychologist), it seemed to me that his abduction and killings were acting out in revenge against his father. He basically switched places with his father by overpowering these "boys", which in a warped way was him getting back by emulating the very behavior that upset him.
But he was clearly bisexual.
And no, being married may have little to nothing to do with sexual proclivities and everything to do with public appearance in society. -
Nbates-3 — 19 years ago(June 17, 2006 07:21 AM)
If you are a male and your sexual taste is in other males, you are a homosexual. He raped atleast 33 male victims, and he confessed to have had sex with many other guys, so I think it is pretty well known he was a homosexual. Like when a profiler asked him why he prefered boys, his answer was that he enjoyed quick sex with guys over the "wine and dine" with ladies.
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MaximusXXX — 19 years ago(June 19, 2006 03:51 PM)
Gacy was indeed a fudge packer, but the fact that he had a wife and kids confuses the hell out of me. It just adds to how many bad husbands there are in this world, a friend of mine is like always joked about never getting married because he has a huge rage problem, but next time that comes up I am so using Gacy as a comparison, of a really bad husband, lol, he's the model of what you NEVER should be.
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lcfc-eva — 18 years ago(July 01, 2007 11:09 AM)
He wasn't homosexual, he was bisexual.
People claim that the reason he preyed on men and boys was because he was ashamed of his homosexuality and so took it out on those he killed.
You should try and catch the serial killer series on Biography Channel, there's a few of them on Gacy, Dahmer, Bundy, Gein, Aileen Wuornos, Gary Ridgeway, Dennis Rader, Henry Lee Lucas, David Berkowitz, Albert DeSalvo. It's in that he claims of his bisexuality.
And on the note of him being married..Michael Barrymore (Only Brits will probably recognise the name) was married for many years before coming out, as are a lot more people probably!! -
zudobug — 17 years ago(June 29, 2008 07:24 AM)
some of the best gay sex I have ever had has been with married men.
when it comes down to it, being married is no indicator of a person's sexuality.
as for the majority of serial killers being gay. that is frankly ridiculous. most serial killers are straight white men.
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JustPassingTime — 17 years ago(July 01, 2008 10:23 PM)
Isn't a bisexual essentually someone who can be sexually fulfilled with either an opposite sex or same sex partner? So in a way a bisexual male is both a homosexual and a hetrosexual. It has always seemed that way to me.
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eeriebass — 10 years ago(November 06, 2015 12:44 PM)
It was noted in this thread that a lot of serial killers were gay. It's a real shame, because it's easy to see how that could happen. It has nothing at all to do with gay people being sick/deranged, but rather people telling them this all their lives: Especially parents.
A lot of gay people have said that they can tell they're gay when they're like 5 years old. Mannerisms/behavior will come forward where the little boy will be acting more like a little girl. Not that the world is perfect now, but this would often lead to abuse, parents trying to beat the gay out of their kids.
Gay people can't help who they are: So if everyone you know is telling you that your some sick deviant and you're enduring abuse for who you are, surely this will warp you. In extreme cases, you become a serial killer clown
So I guess what I'm saying, if there was less homophobia in this world, there would probably be less serial killers. -
puirt-a-beul — 10 years ago(March 22, 2016 09:09 PM)
So I guess what I'm saying, if there was less homophobia in this world, there would probably be less serial killers.
Ermmm, no. Just no. I'm sure you meant that sympathetically, but frankly it's way off the mark.
For starters, it's simply not true that "a lot" of serial killers are gay, as people have claimed in this thread and you've implied.
The percentage of both paedophiles and serial killers that is gay is less than the percentage of the general populace that is. In other words, gay people are statistically less likely to be paedophiles or killers than the average straight person, by a considerable margin. It's just that the ones who are gay tend to get more publicity, and more sensational publicity, because both the media and the general public think it makes for a juicier story that way. People get off on the extra thrill of what's called "gay panic".
Plus, the average member of the public is extremely ignorant about sex generally, any kind of sex-related behaviour, because most of them have never had to question their sexuality the way most gay kids have to at some point. And most of them have never been challenged to justify, explain or defend themselves by the people around them; they tend to think that everyone is just like them, and anything that's not, just gets lumped in most people's minds into one big pot of "not normal". Most people still secretly suspect gays of being paedophiles, even when "some of their best friends" are gay, because that's what was always claimed for many years. But it's a complete myth, and close to 100% of paedophiles (for instance) are both heterosexual and related to their victims.
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eeriebass — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 07:45 AM)
I'm not sure what you're getting at? Did you think I was implying homosexuality put you at a great risk for being a serial killer? If so, that's not what I think at all. With killers of this magnitude, it seems to be commonly linked to childhood trauma, and it would be quite traumatic to be gay and have homophobic parents. Spending your entire life thinking you're wrong for being who you are when that's not the case at all. Missing out on someone who loves you no matter what.
I'm not saying this and this alone generates mass murderers and I'm not saying a person enduring something like this will make someone become the next Gacy, sadly many homosexuals enduring non-supportive parents. I'm just saying, the beginning of this movie for example, is heartbreaking. Of course having a father like Gacy senior, you're going to end up a damaged person, at least on some level. -
puirt-a-beul — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 08:29 AM)
Did you think I was implying homosexuality put you at a great risk for being a serial killer?
Well, yes, to some degree, I did. Look at the last paragraph of your previous post:
So I guess what I'm saying, if there was less homophobia in this world, there would probably be less serial killers.
Who are affected by homophobia? Gay people. And you're saying homophobia makes serial killers, which must mean you're saying they're made from gay people. Honestly, haven't we got enough to deal with?!
With killers of this magnitude, it seems to be commonly linked to childhood trauma
Of certain kinds, yes, but most models suggest clearly that it's certainly not trauma alone that does it; people have to have other specific triggers in their psyches to push them over the line into killing being abused isn't enough. Ted Bundy, for instance, wasn't abused, at least in the sense that most people understand the term; his senses of personal identity and relationship were, though, giving him a sense of grandiosity and indifference, but underneath it a crushing sense of need. That sort of thing is more typical of serial killers than the anger and despair from being abused.
it would be quite traumatic to be gay and have homophobic parents
In my personal experience, yes it bloody is. More than a decade after my coming out to her, my mother still believes firmly that I'm a paedophile, no matter what I say, and won't even speak my name; if I have to speak to her, she just calls me "Pervert", like it's my nickname. But of course she's a loving Christian, so what else could I expect? And of course it makes me angry, though more commonly I'm in despair, but the only one I've ever tried to kill is myself.
But I was genuine when I said I believed you were speaking sympathetically. Most of my comments were meant to the thread in general; the statistics I referred to are from academic studies into sexuality and paraphilias; it was the subject of my assigned research project when I studied as a professional counsellor. Despite popular belief, and the impression created by the sensationalist foci of the "true crime" TV shows, the extreme majority of serial killers are heterosexual most commonly grubby garden variety rapists who first started to kill to ensure they left no witnesses. Those who kill for the sake of killing, driven by anger or trauma, are exceedingly rare.
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eeriebass — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 10:17 AM)
100% sympathetic in everything I've said, in fact I got a bit teary eyed reading about your personal experience: I am so incredibly sorry you have to go through life like that. It's so heartbreaking when anyone things like that, but to put these sort of labels on your own child, I don't know how you can be so delusional to believe the "Christian thing to do" is belittle/disown/abuse/demonize your child. I hope someday it becomes commonly accepted that it's not a choice, that it's not some weird perverse kink that you could just stop if you prayed hard enough.
That's all I was saying is it's quite damaging to have a parent tell you that you are wrong your entire life for being who you are. The way this damage will manifest itself is a case by case sort of thing and serial killer is the very rare exception, your manifestation of despair and suicidal thoughts are no doubt far more common. I hope you've managed to find peace and love in your life in spite of a very difficult upbringing. -
puirt-a-beul — 10 years ago(March 23, 2016 12:05 PM)
Thanks for your kind words, and for calling me delusional!
It's not delusion; that's my personal experience of Christians. The number of Christians I've met who are genuinely kind-hearted, rather than wanting to have the asserted moral authority to tell everyone else what's wrong with them and how to live their lives, I could count I think on my thumbs. And of course, Christians are the major source of cruelty and violence to gay people, and the major driving force behind gay teenagers committing suicide. How spiritual.
You might very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
