Supreme Court casts doubt on Trump's birthright citizenship order 🤣🤣🤣
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 01, 2026 06:49 PM)
https://www.axios.com/2026/04/01/trump-supreme-court-birthright-citizenship-hearing
President Trump became the first sitting president to attend Supreme Court oral arguments on Wednesday and watched as key justices cast doubt on his effort to restrict birthright citizenship.
Even Trump's unprecedented courtroom appearance couldn't shield his executive order from skeptical questioning by justices, a sign the court may reject his attempt to redefine who counts as an American.
A majority of justices — including some conservatives — appeared skeptical of the administration's bid to narrow birthright citizenship during more than two hours of oral arguments.
Chief Justice John Roberts called the government's legal reasoning "quirky." When Solicitor General John Sauer cited the advent of flight, Roberts replied: "It's a new world. It's the same Constitution."
Justice Brett Kavanaugh dismissed Sauer's comparisons to other countries' citizenship policies. "We try to interpret American law with American precedent based on American history."
The vast majority of countries in the Americas — 27 — grant automatic birthright citizenship, according to Pew Research Center data.
It is rare outside the Western Hemisphere. No European country offers unconditional birthright citizenship, and only six countries outside the Americas do.
Trump, on his first day back in office, signed the executive order at the center of the case, restricting a right rooted in the U.S. Constitution that the Supreme Court affirmed more than 125 years ago.
Wednesday's arguments centered on the meaning of five words in the 14th Amendment: "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."
The administration argued that those words require parents to be permanently and legally settled in the U.S.
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which is representing the plaintiff in the case, said the phrase covers virtually everyone on U.S. soil, with exceptions like diplomats and invading armies.
After oral arguments concluded, Trump posted on Truth Social, "We are the only Country in the World STUPID enough to allow 'Birthright' Citizenship!"
The president's order acted on a once-fringe belief that U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants are not entitled to citizenship, a view linked by critics to a racist "white replacement" conspiracy theory, per Axios' Russell Contreras.
Trump posted on Truth Social this week that birthright citizenship "is about the BABIES OF SLAVES" and was never meant for immigrants.
"Dumb Judges and Justices will not a great Country make!" he wrote on Monday.
Courts have held since 1898 that the amendment applies to virtually all children born on U.S. soil.
Trump railed against Supreme Court justices who struck down his sweeping tariffs agenda in a majority ruling in February.
However, the high court sided with him in several cases last year, including letting him fire federal workers, resume mass deportations and ban transgender people from military service.
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LorqVonRay1999 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 12:08 AM)
Another anti-American thread?
What are the odds!
LOL
China literally has an industry where they fly in pregnant Chinese women to America, they give birth to the kid in America and then fly him back to be raised in China as a US citizen. That is absolutely bonkers.
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 12:11 AM)
The process for amending the Constitution is outlined in Article V. Until an amendment has been proposed and passed, it is the job of the president to enforce the Constitution he swore an oath to. Anything less should be met with charges of treason.
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 01:28 AM)
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
So clear-cut a toddler could comprehend it.
Notably, it wasn't originally in the Constitution. It was added later, as part of an amendment, as had already been done 13 times previously and 13 more after.
Pass an amendment or shut the **** up.
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 01:39 AM)
They aren't. Trump's own appointees to the court seemed pretty adamantly opposed to the administration's dumbass interpretation. It was brought before the court because the retard signed an illegal and unconstitutional executive order, which has been challenged.
The ruling will be 7-2, possibly even 8-1.
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LorqVonRay1999 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 01:53 AM)
Do you think it makes sense for a person to come to America, have a baby, and that baby is a citizen?
What other countries would practice something so ridiculously stupid?
It's ridiculous.
No sane person would support such an idea.
You, at some point, have to be able to think for yourself.
You lack this quality.
You are the copy and paster.
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 01:56 AM)
Stopped reading at "Do you think it makes sense."
What you, I, Donald Trump, or the Supreme Court justices think makes sense has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on what the Constitution says.
Again, pass an amendment or shut the **** up.
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 02:04 AM)
Facts do not care about your feelings, snowflake.
This isn't a matter that requires an opinion. The Constitution either allows birthright citizenship or it does not.
Again, put forward a new constitutional amendment addressing the issue and I'll weigh in on it.
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LorqVonRay1999 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 02:09 AM)
Here is a fact.
There are over a million American citizens in China who have all of our rights in America through birthright citizenship.
They flew in pregnant Chinese women and set the up in housing to give birth.
You think that is somehow ok?
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 02:14 AM)
Nope… If we were starting over from scratch, here's what I would propose:
All residents of the United States will, upon reaching the age of 18, be required to take a lengthy written exam on the Constitution, the unique role of the three separate branches of government, and the role of the federal government in relation to state and local governments. Any of them who do not pass will be given a two year grace period where they cannot vote, serve in the military or work for the government. At the end of the two years, they will be given the exam again and if they still fail to pass, they will be deported… even if their ancestors came here on the Mayflower or got here by crossing the Bering Strait.
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Clarence Boddicker — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 04:36 AM)
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof," is open to interpretation. I doubt the Founding Fathers ever intended children born of tourists and trespassers to be US citizens. The 14th amendment was ratified with the ex Confederacy states under Northern carpetbagger control.
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sheetsadam1 — Yesterday(April 02, 2026 04:55 AM)
If someone is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States, that would mean that they cannot be brought before a United States court or punished under US law, rendering the entire subject meaningless.
Is it the administration's assertion that they have no legal authority to arrest or try somebody whose parents were non-citizens?
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soapbox original gangster — 18 hours ago(April 02, 2026 11:35 AM)
To me the language in 14th amendment is clear and simple: it applies to anyone, except those who fall outside normal everyday jurisdiction.
as a bad anti-example, if an illegal immigrant commits a crime that person doesn't have immunity from the crime because as an illegal they are outside state jurisdiction.
from con law class I remember the professor stressing that the exceptions wordage in 14th refers to the incredibly narrow spectrum of Diplomatic immunity and also of prisoners of war.
Diplomats do not fall under either state or federal jurisdiction so if a diplomat gives birth the child technically is born of parents outside the us .
pows fall under military law. Ucmj is separate from us laws and protections. so a foreign pow cannot assert US constitution as defense . so a baby born or fathered is from parents external to the US.
In ww2 germans sent commandos via sub to attack navy yard in ny. one German had been born in the US and then went to Germany to fight for Nazis. he argued he should be tried in civilian courts. Supreme Court said no that his status as pow was the controlling info.
this case should have been dismissed at the district court level and with prejudice so it never allowed again. Talk about April fools