People are using them to kill children on the sidewalk.
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Robgoblin — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:05 PM)
I heard someone have an interesting take on poverty and crime.
Poverty doesn’t breed crime. Crime breeds poverty.
It’s actually happening in real time here in Sweden. Places that were mostly safe were taken over by bad people, and the good ones left, bringing with them their steady incomes and peaceful ways. Making it harder for everyone there, less taxes, less education etc. And in the long run turned middle class areas to low income and poor. Same can be applied to entire countries.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:09 PM)
It's a cycle. A snake eating its own tail.
I agree with that take, which is why I'm a conservative. I have moved several times in my life, each time motivated, primarily, by my need to distance myself from degeneracy.
The more left we go, the more degeneracy we create. Not sure why you guys can't see that, but there you go.
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./ — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:09 PM)
Swedens crime and poverty issues are due to importing it by the thousands. You need to stop bringing subhumans into your beautiful country and ruining it. You are now known for allowing migrants to rape and covering it up.
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Robgoblin — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:18 PM)
It’s way more complex than “immigrant bad”
I can’t go into everything. But they weren’t necessarily criminals in their home country for one thing. But they became so when in Sweden. And it’s way more prevalent in the second generation. So there’s a number of factors at play here. But one thing I will say is, too many immigrants, more than you can successfully integrate, is a bad thing. Because it becomes a second class of citizens. Its own society with little to no allegiance to the rules and culture of the country it resides in.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 11:57 AM)
I think we should divide the western world into freedom loving countries and authoritarian countries.
I'll live in the freedom zone happy and independent, but with a greater risk of an early death. You can live in the authoritarian zone, where you'll be living under a microscope, yet theoretically safer and, I suppose, happy too.
I mean, that's how it used to be, but of course misery loves company and the authoritarian countries can't wallow in it by themselves. They need to drag everyone else down with them.
However, I predict that everyone, as they typically have done for hundreds of years now, would be queuing up to migrate to the freedom zone, bringing their children with them.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:04 PM)
You can have your libertarian paradise.
Except I can't, because your socialist dream isn't compelling enough to extract the loony lefties in my country who are standing in my way.
That's the problem with left wing ideals. In practice they don't work, despite numerous attempts.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:24 PM)
Left wing ideas like strong social support.
Resulting in people unwilling to work for their money, requiring an increase in immigration, leading to the murders and rapes you've already admitted are a stain on your once beautiful country. Elites have gotten rich off of foreign cheap labor because the indigenous cheap (and uneducated) labor has been placated.
Good faith in government. High trust society
Those are not exclusively left wing ideals. In fact, I'd argue that the left, and its inherent need to control thought, speech, and activity, reduces those values.
To me it’s heaven on earth. Despite its faults
That's great. Now leave my country alone and let me build my own heaven.
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Robgoblin — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:30 PM)
Resulting in people unwilling to work for their money, requiring an increase in immigration
That simply isn’t true. Strong social support is not a deterrent for work. It’s a safety net that catches those who fall through, making it a bigger chance that they can be returned to productive members of society.
Which is what we all want.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:37 PM)
Does it though? Let's test that.
If I lose my job in Sweden, will I automatically get the full support package, or do I have to burn through my own capital first? Do I fund my unemployment until I'm broke?
What is the average amount of months people spend on welfare?
Let me get back to you.
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Robgoblin — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 12:45 PM)
You can get Akassa immediately if you’ve paid for it, it’s an insurance backed by the government. If you haven’t it’s social security. Which you cannot get until you’ve spent your savings basically.
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Innocent User — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 01:17 PM)
Thanks. Saved me a search.
I found this, which no doubt you think is fine, but I find horrifying.
https://www.socialstyrelsen.se/globalassets/sharepoint-dokument/artikelkatalog/statistik/2022-6-8000.pdf
Of the assistance recipients in total,
63 percent were foreign-born.
The most common assistance households are single men without children
Long-term assistance among married couples/cohabiting households is, in nine cases out of ten cases, directed
to foreign-born recipients
Couldn't find anything on long-term welfare support and the idea that welfare promotes employment. I'd argue it's a deterrent, especially considering the packages offered.
However, I'm content that the above demonstrates that you're encouraging immigration and it's about half your total welfare bill. You're paying people to come to your country and live off the fruits of your labor.
You can keep your heaven. I hope I never have to live there.
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Robgoblin — 11 months ago(April 28, 2025 02:15 PM)
No don’t think it’s fine, there are problems. But it’s not hell either. But will I live here for the rest of my life? Maybe not. Maybe Sweden will turn into the immigrant hellscape you think it is. But so far it’s manageable. Albeit concerning
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