we dont have property tax since 20 years or so.
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Yermom_Is_God — 3 years ago(December 15, 2022 05:44 PM)
/. said...
I'm just quoting what the survey found. "At least 24% of survey respondents in the US are currently facing medical bankruptcy." I'm sure there are other studies that show it's lower, as well as some that show it's higher, but you will find none that say there aren't millions of Americans who are struggling to pay medical bills.
OK, so let's break that down here, and for your sake, even though you said all Americans, we'll go with adults, 209mil of them. .25% of adults file bankruptcy in the US, or 500K, give or take. That's it, that's how many adults file bankruptcy in the US, 500K, 66% appears to be the amount for medical debt, so 330K people actual file for bankruptcy because of medical debts. What you're suggesting, though, is that while only 330K people actually file, 25% of adults in the US are facing medical bankruptcy, or 52 million people are on the verge of filing for medical bankruptcy. That's what you're saying here? You see the problem here? Maybe using vague polls isn't the best way to go about arguing.
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/. — 3 years ago(December 15, 2022 06:21 PM)
Yermom_Is_God said...
OK, so let's break that down here, and for your sake, even though you said all Americans, we'll go with adults, 209mil of them. .25% of adults file bankruptcy in the US, or 500K, give or take. That's it, that's how many adults file bankruptcy in the US, 500K, 66% appears to be the amount for medical debt, so 330K people actual file for bankruptcy because of medical debts. What you're suggesting, though, is that while only 330K people actually file, 25% of adults in the US are facing medical bankruptcy, or 52 million people are on the verge of filing for medical bankruptcy. That's what you're saying here? You see the problem here? Maybe using vague polls isn't the best way to go about arguing.
The 500,000 figure includes families, so it involves more than 500,000 individuals. Even if it were just 500,000 people, that is only one year. Over ten years that's 5 million people. About 3 million of that would be due to medical expenses, or about 1% of the total US population filing for bankruptcy due to medical debt over a ten year period.
Considering most Americans are not facing major medical issues at any given time, this 1% figure actually represents a much greater percent of those who have medical bills to pay. And this is only bankruptcy we're talking about. This does not account for those who don't file for bankruptcy but who still struggle to pay their medical bills. The unavoidable fact is, we have a health care system in this country that leaves millions of Americans struggling financially. They don't have this in countries with universal health care, which was the whole point.
If you want some more numbers to crunch, I found some more for you:
https://www.retireguide.com/retirement-planning/risks/medical-bankruptcy-statistics/
5% of Americans with medical debt owe more than $100,000.
32% of Americans with medical debt say it’s unlikely they will ever be able to pay their medical debts.
56% of insured Americans have medical debt, compared to 59% of uninsured Americans.
17% of Americans with medical debt currently aren’t paying it off.
Including premiums and deductibles, U.S. adults spend an annual average of $12,500 on medical expenses.
On average, couples that retire at age 65 pay a total of $275,000 in medical bills for the remainder of their life.
Collective American medical debt totaled almost $200 billion in 2019.
About 51% of single-person households with private insurance reported they’d be unable to pay a $6,000 medical bill. 32% reported they’d be unable to pay a $2,000 bill.
6% of adults in the U.S. owe more than $1,000 in medical debt.
Collective American medical debt totaled almost $200 billion in 2019.
48% of adults with medical debt used up all or most of their savings to pay it off as of 2022.
What a great system.
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Yermom_Is_God — 3 years ago(December 15, 2022 06:30 PM)
/. said...
The 500,000 figure includes families, so it involves more than 500,000 individuals. Even if it were just 500,000 people, that is only one year. Over ten years that's 5 million people. About 3 million of that would be due to medical expenses, or about 1% of the total US population filing for bankruptcy due to medical debt over a ten year period.
Considering most Americans are not facing major medical issues at any given time, this 1% figure actually represents a much greater percent of those who have medical bills to pay. And this is only bankruptcy we're talking about. This does not account for those who don't file for bankruptcy but who still struggle to pay their medical bills. The unavoidable fact is, we have a health care system in this country that leaves millions of Americans struggling financially. They don't have this in countries with universal health care, which was the whole point.
If you want some more numbers to crunch, I found some more for you:
https://www.retireguide.com/retirement-planning/risks/medical-bankruptcy-statistics/
5% of Americans with medical debt owe more than $100,000.
32% of Americans with medical debt say it’s unlikely they will ever be able to pay their medical debts.
56% of insured Americans have medical debt, compared to 59% of uninsured Americans.
17% of Americans with medical debt currently aren’t paying it off.
Including premiums and deductibles, U.S. adults spend an annual average of $12,500 on medical expenses.
On average, couples that retire at age 65 pay a total of $275,000 in medical bills for the remainder of their life.
Collective American medical debt totaled almost $200 billion in 2019.
About 51% of single-person households with private insurance reported they’d be unable to pay a $6,000 medical bill. 32% reported they’d be unable to pay a $2,000 bill.
6% of adults in the U.S. owe more than $1,000 in medical debt.
Collective American medical debt totaled almost $200 billion in 2019.
48% of adults with medical debt used up all or most of their savings to pay it off as of 2022.
What a great system.
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Lol, so we can agree that your claim that 25% of all Americans are facing medical bankruptcy is complete bullshit and makes no sense. Perfect. Now the majority of what you posted relies on the statement that X amount of Americans hold "some medical debt." As I mentioned many times, you see the problem with how vague this is, right? You see that?
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/. — 3 years ago(December 15, 2022 06:46 PM)
Yermom_Is_God said...
Lol, so we can agree that your claim that 25% of all Americans are facing medical bankruptcy is complete bullshit and makes no sense. Perfect. Now the majority of what you posted relies on the statement that X amount of Americans hold "some medical debt." As I mentioned many times, you see the problem with how vague this is, right? You see that?
It may be 25% of Americans, that's what one survey found. You dispute those numbers so I went with the figures you do agree upon and they still prove you're grossly mistaken. Your numbers show a significant portion of the American population struggles due to medical expenses. What Corwin was suggesting was accurate, and your attempt to refute it was just wrong. Our health care system is broken. You proved it yourself.
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Yermom_Is_God — 3 years ago(December 15, 2022 07:04 PM)
/. said...
It may be 25% of Americans, that's what one survey found. You dispute those numbers so I went with the figures you do agree upon and they still prove you're grossly mistaken. Your numbers show a significant portion of the American population struggles due to medical expenses. What Corwin was suggesting was accurate, and your attempt to refute it was just wrong. Our health care system is broken. You proved it yourself.
What Corwin said, where he said he knows nobody with crippling Healthcare debt, may be accurate, it was also accurate when I said I know nobody with crippling Healthcare debt. What we can both agree on is that random vague surveys are easily manipulated or just made up by people pushing an agenda, which was clear in your random survey you posted, and that when people like you and Bernie say we have an epidemic of people drowning in medical debt that's just a lie. It's not true. You can keep flailing all you want.
I will agree we have a broken Healthcare system, though, we have way way way too much government control and over-regulation, we need more free markets.
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Yermom_Is_God — 3 years ago(December 15, 2022 01:24 PM)
Robgoblin said...
whats a medical bill?
You guys call it an 800% sales tax.
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/. — 3 years ago(December 13, 2022 09:29 PM)
After reading the article it sounds like some asshole employee who was probably just at their wits end with the job or with their own life sent her a snarky letter offering the euthanasia. I doubt this is a common response and I'm sure similar **** has happened with private healthcare.
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Yermom_Is_God — 3 years ago(December 14, 2022 03:05 AM)
I doubt this is a common response
You might be right, but apparently euthanasia is Canada's 6th leading cause of death.
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