As of Right Now, Do you yourself think Russia is losing it's War against Ukraine ?
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 10:04 AM)
The fallacy is the bullshit reasons given to support Ukraine.
Don't you think its interesting Putin only invades when Democrats are in tenure in the US? Of course he wants it for its natural resources. That is not in dispute. The hype and interest that the US is in supporting Ukraine is dubious. What justification does the US have?
NATO would have a lot to answer for just as much as Russia, if hypothetically a very serious war breaks out. The US would be seen as enabling this too and for the same reasons they blame Russia for. NATO is not squeaky clean.
GTFO and for the second time, learn how to paragraph.
Norman! What did you put in my tea? -
chrismac1970 — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 09:14 PM)
You make a paragraph of one sentence and then tell someone else to "learn how to paragraph". I could just as easily question your paragraph structure, by why would I waste my time doing that on a discussion board? Besides, paragraphing is highly subjective and hardly relevant for the short exchanges on offer here. The fact that you feel the need to bring "paragraphing" into the debate is an indication that you have little of substance else to say.
Anyway, what justification does Putin have for invading a sovereign country that hasn't attacked him? If the U.S.A. can't justify the invasion of Iraq than Russia sure as hell doesn't either.
GTFO yourself for the second time, and learn not to move goalposts when you debate. -
ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 11:53 PM)
Unless one is writing an article, making short paragraphs with 1 or 2 sentences breaks the points down and makes it easier, or even more appealing to read, so it IS relevant. In your case, anything you say is worthless regardless….
Putin has more justification to invade Ukraine, than the US ever did to stick its tainted and corrupt beak in places like Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea, which were not a threat to them. They used NATO as a ruse to dominate with its own military power.
GTFO, because my goalposts are sturdy, yours are the ones swaying about in your huff and puff, windbag!
Norman! What did you put in my tea? -
chrismac1970 — 3 years ago(September 18, 2022 04:29 AM)
You could have the greatest prose style in the history of the English language and every excuse, rationalization, deflection and evasion you've trotted out would still be sophistry and bullshit.
Meanwhile as you lecture on English prose style, partisan activity in Kherson is picking up and Russians are sinking train cars in the river as a make shift bridge so they can have an evacuation route…. but they're winning according to you. "Paragraph" that. -
Holy-Water — 3 years ago(September 18, 2022 07:41 PM)
I want to thank both
chrismac1970 and ToastedCheese
.
Great debate and I enjoyed the back and forth. I usually have strong opinions on politics but this time I don't know which of you is right. But I will say I hope chrismac1970 is right. Putin is a barbarian who will kill
innocent civilians
to win. He already has and on purpose. -
chrismac1970 — 3 years ago(September 18, 2022 08:48 PM)
Holy-Water said...
I want to thank both
chrismac1970 and ToastedCheese
.
Great debate and I enjoyed the back and forth. I usually have strong opinions on politics but this time I don't know which of you is right. But I will say I hope chrismac1970 is right. Putin is a barbarian who will kill
innocent civilians
to win. He already has and on purpose.
We got bogged down arguing over paragraphs and sentence structure towards the end. Sorry about that.
Two months ago I might have answered differently. I was of the opinion then that Ukraine might be in trouble and have to settle for borders as they were, although I never believed Russia could take the entire country. I feared they might not get HIMARS and other weapons soon enough to change anything. I also wasn't sure how quickly they would be trained on them and how effective they would be, not being a military expert. Well, those new weapons have proven quite effective and the Ukrainians have proven to be quick learners. The simple fact is that conditions have changed on the ground and even pro-Russian military bloggers are acknowledging it, so I don't believe it's just Western propaganda. -
ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(September 19, 2022 09:36 AM)
Where did I say they are winning? I have already commented that it is not about winning or losing.
You obviously are shifting the goal posts to evade the essence of what I mentioned about Russia having more connection and purpose to Ukraine, than the US ever did to invade the countries they had no business invading. I suppose you're going to tell me they didn't invade other countries and they had reasonable justification. The US WITHDREW from Vietnam.
I think you need to stop watching CNN and other bribed leftist news reports, media zombie…..
Norman! What did you put in my tea? -
phantomparticle — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 12:39 AM)
Interesting turn of events in the face-to-face between Putin and Xi. The Bear is in real trouble and the Dragon holds a big stick over him.
Xi has to aid the Russians without getting China into a real conflict with the West. At the same time, Beijing, which is hellbent on supplanting the U.S. as the dominant world power, is counting on the war with Ukraine to seriously weaken Russia as a potential threat to their own interests down the road.
To Xi, Putin's growing folly and Biden's destruction of the American economy and increasing reliance on Chinese exports is a win-win-situation.
I'm not changing my "no" vote yet, but the situation could become so dire that Putin will have to resort to a make-or-break Gotterdammerung and bring a final resolution to the whole mess.
And This, Too, Shall Pass Away -
Millard — 3 years ago(September 17, 2022 12:49 AM)
Ukraine really does not need the Wests help.
https://us21.chatzy.com/m/54858866758294