They confessed to beating all holy hell out of ………..
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drnossal — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 10:41 AM)
Look, you've been fairly civil and I don't mean to be harsh, but I have to say you are entitled to your beliefs, but not your facts.
You state that the police knew in 1989 that the DNA belonged to a single attacker. That is simply incorrect.
You state that the confessions were coerced. Whether the accused were guilty or innocent, that is opinion, not fact.
You state the defendants were convicted solely on the evidence of the confessions. This is easily verified as untrue.
You state that Trump led the lynch mob against the defendants when Trump never even addressed the case directly or indirectly, but simply spoke out in general against NYC crime. That isn't just misguided opinion, it is contrary to easily verified facts and ultimately irrelevant to the case. Trump wasn't the judge or the jury or the police and had nothing to do with the convictions or appeals.
Final comment, when Reyes was being tried for murder, his defense hired a psychologist to evaluate him. That was Dr. N. G. Berrill who described Reyes as "a wounded child, a defective human being, not psychotic, but someone whose impulse control was poor. He's manipulative. I wouldn't put money on anything he says."
Reyes never said a word about the jogger case until he met Korey Wise in prison. Reyes was already serving life without parole and had nothing to lose by admitting his responsibility and claiming to have acted alone. Through his testimony, the other five were freed. Read again what his own psychologist said and think about the fact that the other five were released from prison and awarded millions in damages, all solely on the word of Matthias Reyes, convicted rapist and murderer.
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digitaldiva — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 11:01 AM)
Hi drnossal,
I assume when you wrote you were someone with a PhD in analytical chemistry who's been testing stuff for 20 years, the stuff you tested wasn't DNA, most especially DNA from the attack. Please reread my comments. I never "stated" Trump lead a lynch mob, but he did address the case at the time and in a rush to judgement, called for capital punishment.
You and I will never agree on this, so let's stop this discussion now. I normally don't engage in political discussions on the IMDB, an entertainment site that has become highly charged politically. My original post was from 2012 and I've watched as some board become literal hot beds. I prefer to be polite and request once again that we agree to disagree. This is my last post on the subject. -
jimmybags57 — 13 years ago(December 05, 2012 07:06 PM)
stanleybix obviously you are not familiar with the history of the NYPD. When they need to pin a crime on someone they will get a confession one way or another. At least that's how they used to be, especially in the 80's. Hopefully they've gotten better today.
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EmElleCee — 12 years ago(April 18, 2013 05:36 AM)
Their confessions were inconsistent with her bruisings and they didn't even know where the crime occured. The documentary mentioned they were in a different location than where the actual criminal was when he beat and raped her. They mentioned an 18 inch wide trail from where Matias Reyes, the man whose DNA was found at the scene, which the jogger was dragged on. I assumed they believed if five guys dragged her at once the trail would've been wider. That made sense. They were under stress from the extensive interrogation. The prosecutors just needed faces to put to the crime so thry could get paid and go home. They were selfish people.
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WeLoveYouWayMore — 12 years ago(April 18, 2013 04:36 PM)
Exactly, the OP is forgetting these were 14 year old chidren, what an idiot.
This is documented how the police coerce people into giving false confessions b promising to let them go. Now i would never confess to something i diddn't do unless uner great psychological duress but when you're 14 yo child and the cops are lying to you and intimidating you, you might say anything.
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twilliams76 — 12 years ago(April 27, 2013 08:52 PM)
not to mention that NONE of the "confessions" could hold water when stacked on top of each other. Not one of them described the "events" in the same manner. Not one of their stories could be held up side-by-side with another because the details were all different (he hit her, he watched, he held her hands while the other stories all said something different).
The one juror brought this up none of the "confessions" described the same event and couldn't have been true. He only decided to say they were guilty after his fellow jurors became upset and tired of his opposition. Hmmm he did exactly what the boys did with the cops.
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twilliams76 — 12 years ago(May 01, 2013 09:47 PM)
^ Applaud, applaud Seriously I could put it this way, allthewine: "what evidence?"
There was no natural, REAL evidence against them. There were even eye-witnesses elsewhere in the part that could pinpoint them to a different location at the exact time of the central crime! These kids were guilty of "wilding" (?) and throwing rocks and harassing some bikers and citizens around the lake in an entirely different portion of Central Park. People knew this! Some of these kids had caused some trouble (and maybe damage) elsewhere but it was ALL overlooked to connect them to a case they had NOTHING to do with.
I posted this thought/idea on another thread but it is something to try to wrap your mind around: "This whole doc is troubling; but one of the most disturbing things I have since taken from the film after having watched it a few days ago is the FACT that a murderous rapist ended up having a bit more integrity than the lawyer who couldn't fess up to her mistake." The evidence was ALL made up and those two ladies knew this. -
CheshireCatsGrin — 12 years ago(October 17, 2013 09:54 PM)
In fact, I thought the parallel between the juror and the boys said it all about agreeing with others out of exhaustion and frustration.
I often wonder if placed in the same situation as these boys, as well as the West Memphis Three, I would give a false confession. I want to think I wouldn't because I'm strong enough. Yet honesty I bet the majority of us would fold and give the cops what they want. -
There_Is_No_Sayid — 12 years ago(May 10, 2013 05:44 PM)
What about the fact that there was absolutely no evidence connecting them to the crime? That their confessions were inconsistent both with each other and with the facts of the crime? Or that the crime scene suggested one person committed the crime rather than the half dozen or more the cops suggested? Or that the established timeline these kids had with the mob harrassing parkgoers was inconsistent with them being the jogger's attacker(s)?
We know who did it. He confessed and gave an account which fit perfectly with the details. He was also a serial rapist (as opposed to the other kids who had no trouble with the law IIRC). And he insisted that he acted alone.
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Cheeky — 4 months ago(November 09, 2025 11:48 PM)
Exactly
The cops just grabbed any of the kids there because they were going to pin it on someone and you were guilty just by being there
The 5 weren't even in that area of the park. Korey didn't stay, he left early on
The cops coerced them because they decided they were guilty just by being in the park
Matias Reyes was a serial rapist and killer. He stalked the jogger, hit her over the head with a heavy tree branch and dragged her into the woods, raped her and left her for dead
The interrogations of the boys weren't recorded until they had been coerced into saying what they were told
Those cops were dirty and drunks
If we take the time to see with the heart and not with the mind, we shall see that we are surrounded completely by angels ~ Carlos Santana