The ending is so wrong.
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fiatlux-1 — 11 years ago(March 12, 2015 03:29 PM)
Not even one of them felt guilty about it or regretted it, seriously?
That floored me too. I guess it was to show exactly HOW evil these men were.
The leader, Diz, knew how to pick 'em.
The author of the novel, Ira Levin, also wrote 'Rosemary's Baby'. In that novel also, the males are all 100% icy-cold.
Same thing here I guess.
In the film, we do see (very very briefly) some 'regret'. Joanna's husband talks of his uncertainty to Diz, who in turn eases his mind.
Same with Ed Wimperis, we see him crying & drunk after killing his wife Charmaine.
ButBOTH men get over it really quick.
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
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PussyCrusher_Principal — 10 years ago(April 12, 2015 01:21 PM)
Well, it's a horror film, first and foremost. The subject of feminism is really used to drive the plot, as when Joanna says to Bobbi "I messed around with feminism in NYC" ("who hasn't", I believe, was the response), and "I'm not talking a Maidenform Bonfire here, but", and then, in reaction to the alarm they feel at what they see in Stepford, they go around trying to raise consciousness.
But if you really need to make the ending meaningful, in a (somewhat) positive way in regards to feminism, how about "if we women don't stick together, bad things can happen". The men used a "divide and conquer" scheme to change the wives, as when Bobbie went away and never came back. Just spitballin'
Takes two to tumble it takes two to tango
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missmisfit-1 — 10 years ago(May 01, 2015 12:01 AM)
Makes sense.
And like you said, it's a horror flick, and the downer ending was part of it. I now just realized that it's not saying that "Feminism will fail". It ends grimly because that's SCARY. It's just one town, anyway.
Besides, there was a sequel where the "Men's Association" get their comeuppance. The two afterwards are just milking the concept to stupid degrees. I like to pretend that only the first two movies are canon. There's the "Feminism vs. Misogyny" theme and the fact that it allows the bad guys to lose in the end. I like that.
I need to quit getting sensitive about bummer endings and not see every flick as a big social message.and just take each movie on a story-by-story basis.
For me, I'll just check out "spoiler" websites to ease the sting of a grim ending.
..and get into fanfic writing for relief.
After all
"You don't have to accept the ending they give you." - Joel (To Crow & Tom Servo on MST3K) -
austelwx — 10 years ago(February 13, 2016 07:27 PM)
Downer endings are for adults. So many authors have satirized the cliche of the "coddled, insecure public that can't stand a harsh ending and needs a simplistic, happy Hollywood outcome," and I like to think people are tougher than that. But yikes, threads like this just show how pathetically true that particular cliche is.
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InherentlyYours — 10 years ago(April 01, 2016 11:50 PM)
There always, always has to be a woman to find pretentious hidden meanings of females being wronged, feminism etc., and also cite the 70's as some target also. The year is was made is irrelevant
Yet, when men are defeated and doomed by women (or men) in a film, there is no reaction. Women like the OP are venting their own demons, I think. And over a harmless horror film/thriller -
MissMargoChanning — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 05:15 PM)
There always, always has to be a woman to find pretentious hidden meanings of females being wronged, feminism etc., and also cite the 70's as some target also. The year is was made is irrelevant
Ira Levin, a guy, wrote the damned thing. The year the book was written and the year the film was made is very relevant. Feminism was a large part of the story. Men, at that time were feeling a loss of control.
It isn't all that relevant today. That's why that awful thing they call a remake didn't work.
Yet, when men are defeated and doomed by women (or men) in a film, there is no reaction. Women like the OP are venting their own demons, I think. And over a harmless horror film/thriller
Well, off the top of my head, I felt the same sense of sadness at the end of The Mist.. Another "harmless horror film/thriller".
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eastSixtyEightgrl — 9 years ago(June 26, 2016 06:18 PM)
What if Joanna damaged her android replacement in the struggle? Just enough that fixing it would be to costly and starting over take to long. Diz makes the decision to take human Joanna and turn her into a half human/half android. She is still under the control of Diz in this new form thus making it worse than if she had died. The look in her eyes at the end of the film would make sense as she is still human though under the influence of her android programming.
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MissMargoChanning — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 04:57 PM)
Personally, I thought the ending was perfect.
The book and the film had basically the same end.
I use to think Joanna was foolish to come back to town after seeing the psychiatrist. She should have just driven away instead of coming back for the children. They would have been just fine.
She could have stayed with friends in the city and eventually filed for divorce and custody of the kids
Nah! Not a good ending for a great little thriller like this.
"Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night" -
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Melton1 — 5 months ago(October 22, 2025 11:54 AM)
I’m not a mother, I’m not even a woman, and it’s patently obvious to me that no parent would abandon their children to some cult of grubby men who appear to be turning their wives into sexbots.
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jmillerdp — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 07:50 PM)
It's like the popular story "The Lottery." Or the movie "The Wicker Man." An insular, secretive community that's hiding a pitch dark secret. And, an innocent, or innocents, are doomed to be taken down by it.
Ira Levin devised the most diabolical horror plots ever. And, he likes to ride them to their end. This book/movie follows that trend.
[SPOILERS]
It is so completely evil! And, I so completely love it! It's one of those cinematic moments where my tears are welling up. Not because of sadness. But, of joy at how cinematically perfect the moment is. Beautifully freaky, including Owen Roizman's cinematography, and Dick Smith's makeup work on Katherine Ross. I so wish this would get a restoration and a Blu-ray.
Plus, the fact that the robot is the one who kills the original is just absolutely twisted.
For those wanting a "happy ending," you get it! It's just a purely EVIL happy ending, as shown in the still photos of the "idyllic" new Katherine Ross with her family.
I. Drink. Your. Milkshake! [slurp!] I DRINK IT UP! - Daniel Plainview - There Will Be Blood -
scorp_gal_03 — 9 years ago(July 15, 2016 12:48 PM)
My problem with the ending was that Joanna just seemed to give up when she spotted the robot. Why wouldn't she have at least tried to fight it off? It didn't seem true to her character to just accept what was happening.
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MissMargoChanning — 9 years ago(July 17, 2016 03:20 PM)
Perhaps she was still trying to register it all.
Even after stabbing my friend and seeing what I had seen, I am still not so sure that I could comprehend the sight of this robot who looks like me even BETTER than me in a carbon copy of my bedroom. I'd be a bit stunned by it all. I'd still be reeling at the thought of such a betrayal on my husband's part.
"Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night"