Which one? Can it even be argued either way?
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TheLionKingKong — 12 years ago(June 01, 2013 07:42 PM)
Not a Deus Ex Machina because it didn't come out of nowhere. I don't know about Chekhov's Gun either, but I think it's similar. I think the right term is "set-up and pay-off" or "plant" (as in it was planted (by the screenwriter)).
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mikeyg24 — 12 years ago(September 04, 2013 09:25 PM)
I agree with Crystobal I don't think it's either. In fact by definition of both terms it's neither. Quite frankly I'm fairly certain the OP has no idea what either expression means.
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theCurlyone — 12 years ago(September 25, 2013 02:59 PM)
I think you're an idiot.
To the OP - there are elements of both, yet, as a whole, neither. It's more akin to Chekov's gun. Finding the wallet was obviously a hint of an event to come, however, it was the opposite of a lethal weapon.
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SpiltPersonality — 12 years ago(October 08, 2013 07:57 PM)
It fits Checkov's Gun. How does it not fit Checkov's Gun?
It was a narrative that was put in early scenes and required in later scenes. Checkov stated that you should remove everything that isn't relevant to the story, and so the wallet was left IN the story and is therefore relevant.
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kinsayder — 12 years ago(July 14, 2013 12:56 AM)
I'd call it Screenwriter's Monkey Wrench. Drop it clunkily into the plot in an early scene, wait till everyone has forgotten about it, then produce it with a flourish later when your script gets all clogged up in the bathroom.
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transmentalist — 12 years ago(September 20, 2013 03:28 PM)
I say it's the latter.
Letty gave Alonzo the idea to use Smiley to kill Jake (it satisfies his warped sense of justice; Jake's rescue gets rewarded by his murder by Letty's own cousins).
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spookyrat1 — 12 years ago(October 08, 2013 12:31 AM)
I don't think it's either.
It's a giant coincidence that he finds himself in the rape victim's cousin's bath tub, when the pink purse is pulled out, but it does work for me.
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Arkoth — 12 years ago(November 01, 2013 12:44 PM)
Chekhov's Gun, definitely.
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philoj — 11 years ago(September 11, 2014 06:25 AM)
I don't think it's either.
It's actually the opposite of a Deus ex. Deus ex Machina is used to describe poor writing where the author writes themself into a corner, so they say "And then God killed all the bad guys and the good guy won. The end."
It's not quite Chekhov's Gun, because that's usually about something unusual that the writer calls attention to. It would be more Chekhov's gun if Alonzo said "Is that her wallet?" "Yeah, I found it on the street over there." "You should return it." "Yeah, I will" - too much attention.
What it is, and it's understandable if you don't recognize it because it's so rare, is "good writing." This movie is great because of all the little bits and pieces that wind back and forth. For example, when they're heading to see Smiley, you hear Alonzo on the phone saying "Make sure the bathtub is clean" - he's setting up the hit.
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brightmidnight71 — 11 years ago(September 11, 2014 07:41 AM)
^^^ i totally agree. There wasn't even a shot of Jake putting the wallet in his pocket or anything like thatcompletely wrote it off, but because of the color, you immediately recognize it when they find it on him at Smiley's place.
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Kareiyasu — 11 years ago(November 15, 2014 04:07 AM)
Then you clearly don't know the definition of either. It's both. It not only is used as foreshadowing (Chekhov's Gun) when he notices the color and the fact that he picked it up to try and locate the girl, it's the Deus Ex Machina because it was the only thing that saved his life. Coincidences to get characters into trouble are great; coincidences to get them out of it are cheating - It's by the purest definition D.E.M.
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You clearly don't understand the definitions, next time, do some research.
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Buljko — 10 years ago(August 12, 2015 10:00 AM)
What I can't understand is
why didn't he immediately say how he ended up with her wallet? Surely, he should've known instantly it was his ticket out once he found out she was his cousin. Not like he had something to lose.
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RumourdProd — 9 years ago(June 07, 2016 12:20 AM)
Deus Ex Machina ces out of nowhere to solve the main conflict. No setup. No buildup. Its justthere.
So if you think the wallet is that, then so is the piece of paper announcing exactly when the lightning bolt will strike the clock tower. Would you call "Back to the Future" bad writing?